Nerfs are making the game less fun for "many" hardcore AND casual players

[Ooshima]

I agree on the gearing vs difficulty side, which is why RPGs are always backwards. The best players always get the easiest content due to being properly/over geared.

The game should be like FF8. The higher your gear score, the more the difficulty increases. But this is too much to ask for. Instead we should be satisfied with people being smart enough to lower their gearscore for a bigger challenge, but 99% of all people are too dumb and lazy to do that. They think being over geared for content should still have the content be a challenge.

Never possible, although that sounds interesting enough. Like how FF13 takes into account your current gear, crystarium level vs clear time to determine your star rating and thus affecting mob drops. But never gonna happen, because you will have lots of QQs like the guy I've quoted below me. Things like this are too tough for them *shrugs*

If you choose not to see it then of course you wont see it.

Not saying the other players aren't being acknowledge but they are not as high on the priority list as them.

Progressive players gated behind weekly lockouts.

Nope because there isn't a big issue for me to see.

I love it how you aren't a progressive player nor in a progression team but speak as if you are part of it and represent them thou.

How many of the progression teams are complaining about coil loots or the highest ilvl drops are gated behind coil?

Did you see progression teams gunning for world first, server first, or even server/world top 10/20 creating threads like "WTF SE COIL TWO SO TOUGH PLS NERF OR GIVE US IL110 SOLDIER GEARS"? Nope. They can't be bothered with these QQs. They rely on their skills and understanding of the mechanics, do with what they have and what they can and keep focused with their task on hand. And they get the job done.

You are feeling that your gear progression is gated because you don't have a static and of course PF are mostly crappy. Too bad I guess. Tbh I don't really feel gated nor stucked with gear progression. I've been looking around and watching people on my server, generally those who have cleared T8 averagely have every of their player easily between i98-i105, with healers probably at the lower end of i96. Even for teams like mine who only does raid for about 10hrs per week, all of us are at i98-i100 except the 2 healers and a new tank we took in as replacement, but they aren't too far off at i96. The more hardcore teams are further geared than we are.

So... progression team's gearing route being gated behind coil? Who's to say that? These teams are doing fine as they are, tbh. As long as you clear, you will get something. If you don't get High Allagan loots, usually your team will feed you with oil/sands to balance out. That's how it's like being in a team, we don't want to see team mates being left behind.

Get into a progression team, experience what it truly is like before saying things.


EDIT: And oh yeah I do thing the coil lock out is fun in a way - always looking forward to the next reset for chance at new loots. If I'm not going to have a lock out or fast gearing options, then I might be getting fully decked and nothing left to farm/look forward too. Well one can say that the current SE strategy is just to build time sinks and prolong the current contents which weekly lock out is one of them. Sure, SE could have released more content, maybe every new coil every 3 months? Sure it's possible but again how are they gonna do it? Hire more teams and result in higher subscription fees or so? IDK man. Even if subscription fees are the same and they could release fast content, but what's the point if people can't clear it?

Like how Atma/Animus were a huge time sink, ended up people can't even complete them before the next scheduled update on 2.25 and SE have to postponed it as their reasoning is that they don't want to make the gap even bigger. So yeah. Gating is probably a good point for a game partly casual as it is for FF14ARR - so that the not so skilled people can keep trying at it until the next major release.

Don't say there ain't no gear. Soldier gear is i100 and it's still an upgrade, don't complain because there is upgrade. Give me unlimited Soldier and I'd buy all of them for all my other jobs. You have Animus/Novus as weapon upgrade, and CT2 is coming to help.

Quit blaming everything on anything.

[Zaero]

One person turning it off will make no difference though. If you're a DPS then you'll still make tight DPS checks you may not have because the 3 other DPS are buffed. If you're a Tank even if you screw up rotating your CDs, as long as you're not one shotted, buffed Healers will have no problem keeping you up. And the reverse for Healers, less intense healing periods on buffed Tanks, plus your other Healer can cover for you.

Unless you're able to talk over half the party into switching it off then it will still effect your run.

That's what I mean though! Everyone complains that Echo makes things too easy, but no one will turn it off. MMO Logic!!

[Legionius]

If you are skilled enough to actually clear hard content, you would have done so before the nerf rounds started and be on the next set of content.

Complaining in hindsight either means your skill is at least partially imaginary or you just like being a jerk to people who have run out of content at their skill level.

Either way it's significantly cheaper and smarter to use old content actually skilled people are done with as a way of expanding content for the next tier of skill down. From the context of some of these posts a few of you seem to want SE to risk shooting the game in the foot solely to justify your personal egos.

[LalaRu]

I am a casual player. ...It's not fun playing the final two 2.0 storyline dungeons and seeing I-level 100 players slaughtering the end boss within seconds....i'm finding it hard to get to the challenging content before it is nerfed...

A Casual player with ATMA weapon and in its own i84+. You can go Coil2 and enjoy the actual endgame content. It is not nerfed and you are enough geared for that. What did your thread was meant for?

[Atkinsj7]

All im going to say op is go try T5 without echo. there is still 1 shot mechanics in T5 example twisters, dreadnight and hatch it will one shot you. i beaten T5 currently working on T6.

[Gormogon]

Complaining in hindsight either means your skill is at least partially imaginary

I love these made up scenarios that ignore constant amounts of variables simply because

you just like being a jerk to people

Which makes sense.

That's what I mean though! Everyone complains that Echo makes things too easy, but no one will turn it off. MMO Logic!!

Correction, elitist logic. If Square-Enix ever gives up and implement WoW's LFR system. The outcome would be hilarious.

[CrAZYVIC]

They could incorporate a option.

Do you want receive echo buff? Yes - No in the moment start use the Duty finder / Party Finder.

Echo Buff Inactive rewards

Hard Mode primals = 25 Myth - 15 Soldiery
Ultima, Fat Moggle, Leviathan = 30 Myth - 20 Soldiery
EX primals - Coil = 40 Myth - 28 soldiery

The minimun ILV accepted for play without echo buff = ILV90, "Hard Mode" Stuff.
The Minimum ILV for Ex primals and coils = ilv96.
Turn 5 and Titan EX = Ilv98

If you remove the echo buff. You have 8% chances receive "Double Tomes" That run.
Each player without Echo buff active, unlocks the chances received an extra HQ item.

Example

Ifrit HM drops iLv60 Weapon. If one player plays without echo buff the chances Ifrit Drop a ILV65 weapon with "2 Materia slots avaliable" 1% each player wihout Echo.

Garuda EX Drops ILV90 Accesories. Again having a players without echo buff, you can receive a Ilv95 accesories with two materia Slot available.

Coil. You can receive armors, accesories and twintania weapon 5 levels above the NQ items, with two materia slots avaliable.

This could give a incentive to the players for remove the echo buff.

[MasamuneBranford]

A Casual player with ATMA weapon and in its own i84+. You can go Coil2 and enjoy the actual endgame content. It is not nerfed and you are enough geared for that. What did your thread was meant for?

Believe me I am casual. I play 3 to 5 hours per week. I was I-level 83 before 2.2 was released. Since 2.2 was released I've defeated HM Leviathan, Gilgamesh and as of a week ago gotten an atma weapon. Since 2.2 - I haven't earned more than 200 soldiery in total yet. That will soon change. Because I'm very busy in RL (corporate attorney, married, homeowner, etc.) I make sure to maximize my time when I play. If I jumped straight into soldiery farming - I would have ultimately let mythology tomes go to waste (when they could go towards the 1,500 books).

My new plan (that works quite well) is to log in - do beastmen quests while having the "Trial Duty Roulette" turned on, once I beat the trial, I turn on Duty finder Expert and continue to finish the beastmen quests. Once I'm finished with the expert duty finder and the beastmen quests I go to my retainer and send her out on an 18 hour expedition and log-out for the day. This takes about an hour and fifteen minutes everyday and nets me 80 tomes of soldiery and roughly 150 mythology tomes per day. If I do this 5 times a week, I end up with 750 mythology tomes and 400 solidery tomes. This will net me an animus in 18 weeks and will get me a decent amount of item level 100 gear in the process which I'll need to take out Twintania (if you noticed - i'm still wearing item level 70 pants and have a couple of item level 70 accessories which I plan to swap out with item level 100 gear).

So yes - that is my plan. Will I get there before things are nerfed even more? Probably not. I'd like to think a casual player can still get to majority of the challenges before they are nerfed to oblivion - but it takes a lot of work and crazy planning (which seems a bit unnecessary for a game).

[Moqi]

This could give a incentive to the players for remove the echo buff.

Why would you want that though?

[Legionius]

I love these made up scenarios that ignore constant amounts of variables simply because

The entire premise of this thread is a made up scenario. Unnerfed content exists if it's actually what the OP wants to do. If he was doing it there would be no reason to be complaining about something that has happened in almost every MMO ever made.

As others have pointed out, you don't see many top tier players complaining because they are too busy doing content that is actually relevant to them.

Variables aren't constant and since you aren't the OP, you have no idea if I am correct or not.