Nerfs are making the game less fun for "many" hardcore AND casual players

[TeganLaron]

Want achallenge? Remove the buff.

Seriously, I still see people complain about getting the buff, but then reject my suggestion to turn it off in dungeons. Can't have it both ways.

They're nerfing it for those who HADN'T yet run the old content (of which there are a lot out there), but it doesn't mean ya can step up and go at it the old school way.

(yes, I'm being kinda venty here, but seriously tired of the "LOLEcho")

One person turning it off will make no difference though. If you're a DPS then you'll still make tight DPS checks you may not have because the 3 other DPS are buffed. If you're a Tank even if you screw up rotating your CDs, as long as you're not one shotted, buffed Healers will have no problem keeping you up. And the reverse for Healers, less intense healing periods on buffed Tanks, plus your other Healer can cover for you.

Unless you're able to talk over half the party into switching it off then it will still effect your run.

[Gralna]

To go with OP

[Malamasala]

I think it's a little greedy. As much as the so called elitists "hate" seeing "casuals" having the same level of gear as them, the "casuals" just don't get to have their cake and eat it too. The current cycle of vertical and horizontal gear progression is just fine.

I agree on the gearing vs difficulty side, which is why RPGs are always backwards. The best players always get the easiest content due to being properly/over geared.

The game should be like FF8. The higher your gear score, the more the difficulty increases. But this is too much to ask for. Instead we should be satisfied with people being smart enough to lower their gearscore for a bigger challenge, but 99% of all people are too dumb and lazy to do that. They think being over geared for content should still have the content be a challenge.

[Gormogon]

I don't really see where's the damn problem.

If you choose not to see it then of course you wont see it.

And as far as catering to both sides.

Coil > CT > Coil 2 > CT 2

The rest of the content isn't as long lasting and progressive. Not saying the other players aren't being acknowledge but they are not as high on the priority list as them.

Progressive players gated behind weekly lockouts.

PvP > 2.28 or 2.23 battlegrounds

Crafter love is there but low

Main Quest Scenario, Primals, Hildebrand, Beastman dailies, and Dungeons may consistent but there's a big time difference between major patches.

I can go on but I doubt the hardcore raiders would like it if SE didn't make another raid for them and instead SE placed focus between major patch difference on crafting, fates, story, primals, dungeons, etc.

[Muzetta]

It's how virtually any MMO I can think of works; old content gets nerfed. Why? Because it's old and out of date. There's new ways to get the current gear and in order to give everyone a fair enough chance at getting all that, the content you have to beat before being able to do the rest will be made easier so you won't be stuck on it for ages to come. (Don't go throwing that "Well, there's Sol gear!" BS at me, that's not the point here)

As a casual player myself, I don't care if they nerf things. I play the game to have fun. If I don't progress, that's fine. If I do progress that's fine. If they nerf things that's also fine, because as long as I can do these things with my FC and have a good time then I just don't give a damn about the rest, really.

[Kiara1]

@Salaphiel: Hey guess what, you can get the experience you want in 2nd coil. And since T1-5 are easier it means that you can get there sooner.

But... He hadn't even done first coil why would he want to jump to second coil? Its not about doing everything as soon as possible it's about still keeping the old content fun cause everyone hasn't had the chance to do them with yet.

[Kewitt]

My problem with how coils echo is that it's XX right form the beginning.

I like the wipe and increase because then even if it's your 1st time and you only beat it with 25% buff. Now you have a goal to set for yourself to do it with 20% or 15% or 5%...

[Bellybell]

One person turning it off will make no difference though.

if it's only one person turning it off then that one should need to know that they are the minority and what they did is plain selfishness

if anyone want to enjoy the content without the buffs then try to talk it over, PF, FC, LS, friendlists or whatever
if anyone tried to organized those and failed to do so then they should already realized how the world really is

[Seif]

I really can't comment on this since I've only died in Garuda Extreme a bunch of times.

They are probably tracking players stats like mine and trying to remove bottlenecks where people don't progress at all for months.
SE don't make the game easier just because I suck.

However I do think there should be more optional ways to progress your gear.
We have a fun relic reborn quest but none of the other pieces of gear have anything even close to that.
And on top of that NONE of the high level gear have materia slots so there's literally no way to progress gear without just getting to coil.

[Karnyboy]

I still can't win against Garuda Ex with full echo....sorry, but poor the most part you're an anomaly