PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Shinun]

Snip.

If a debate this strong is going on on multiple threads then clearly theirs a divide on it, and whatever way SE decides to agree on their will be an effect. If they agree with wintrading the Wolves Den will be in an even worse state then it is now. If they disagree with Wintrading what can they do.

1. They'll either look the other way for the people who already abused the system.

2. They'll Rollback players who wintraded.

3. They'll ban players who wintraded.

All in their right to do whatever they choose to do. But, I can guarentee if they ban players. The people who were wintrading because they didn't like the system as it is and decided to take matters in their own hands will not be happy on the subject, even if beforehand they thought even in the slightest SE didn't want them to do what they were doing.

[Dhex]

FFXI;
Show up on any Job/Sub combo for lv30/40/50/Max cap PVP.

Everyone goes and signs up and participated and had PVP that had objectives. Ranks were based on kills, scoring, and how you measure up to your contemporary's performance. Jobs had "Chevrons" you won for being the best at your role and when people examined you during PVP it showed your Chevron count so people knew who was going to require a hell-of-a-lot more strategy to take down so you could get your team gatebreak to score.

(Oh hey Ballista I missed you)

Enjoyed it? Join a LS - build a team.

Here;
PVP in FFXIV = I sat here and either won a lot, lost a lot, or traded a lot and this shiny gear proves I spent time doing it.

Rank 40 doesn't mean you're the bees-knees. Shiny gear doesn't tell me if you're a strategist and able adapt during combat.

It's meaningless. It's the least interesting and most backward concept of PVP prowess that could ever exist.

PVP should never be about grinding up a rank and out gearing your opponent; but that is what Square Enix has implemented.


That's why people trade wins.

Crying about trading is being blind to the actual problem.

The actual problem is the design and structure of the PVP itself.

It needs to change, and until they change it I have no issues with anyone bold enough to say "screw this stupid bulls#$%" and doing it their own way.

[Sapphic]

PVP IS A JOKE. Even with insane gear, its a joke. There are currently two viable strategies: kill the healer or kill the black mage. Thats it. And I'm really not that good at it. But i will continue to join pvp queues, piss off other players with my terrible skills, and grind it out to get the dope looking gears that I want. And when I get them, i'll most likely stop.

Which is still NO EXCUSE to cheat the system. Don't like it, DON'T DO IT! I don't, so I don't.

Loser reward is an incentive in gear progression PvP to keep players who lose a lot to continue trying, because they are still gaining, albeit at a slower pace.

[Shinun]

Snip.

And if your going to take that stance then if SE lays down penalties be it rollbacks or banned, you have no right to argue against it.

[Woona]

the forum pvp is way better than any pvp in this game. /thread

[Snorgrind]

Which is still NO EXCUSE to cheat the system. Don't like it, DON'T DO IT! I don't, so I don't.

Loser reward is an incentive in gear progression PvP to keep players who lose a lot to continue trying, because they are still gaining, albeit at a slower pace.

the thing is its not slower pace, even if you are bad at pvp you will have around 50% wins if you are not healer and guess what, wintraders have 50% wins too so where is the difference ? takes same time and no effort if queues are fast. Ppl doing wintrades only because queues takes too much time.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

The arguments in this thread just seem really baseless. For or against win trading, can they truly punish those who actually did win trade? At this point I only do the weekly things for PVP in the challenge log, but that takes longer to queue for than a dps in a low level sungeon, it's insane. What's not to say that SE does deem this "illegal", how would they know who differentiated between a friendly, fun wintrade vs. grinding wintrade. I know PVP linkshells, and am sure they do 4v4s all the time. The only real way I could see the devs justifiably banning these people is to look at the time in matches. Just my two cents, are we supposed to ban those people pvping for fun? Trying to make quick levels out of the dreadful system too?

[Azurymber]

The arguments in this thread just seem really baseless. For or against win trading, can they truly punish those who actually did win trade? At this point I only do the weekly things for PVP in the challenge log, but that takes longer to queue for than a dps in a low level sungeon, it's insane. What's not to say that SE does deem this "illegal", how would they know who differentiated between a friendly, fun wintrade vs. grinding wintrade. I know PVP linkshells, and am sure they do 4v4s all the time. The only real way I could see the devs justifiably banning these people is to look at the time in matches. Just my two cents, are we supposed to ban those people pvping for fun? Trying to make quick levels out of the dreadful system too?

So the right thing to do is let people cheat while all the people who spend days grinding basically get screwed?
Isn't that just telling everyone in the game "when you find an exploit, use it as fast as possible" ?

[sairaus]

azur its a grind either way,1 waits for que times, the other dont. To skip the que time and keep your honor, get 2 groups of 4 and do srs fights non stop 16 hrs a day. had a buddy the 3rd wk of 2.2 have a 186 min wait as a tank in solo que, thats not pvp thats waiting in an amusement park line during a summer vacation every match.

[Anorex]

This community is really funny. PvP trading (don't care for PvP at all, and never will) is considered immoral, but using essentially a cheat code to beat content (ala. echo buff) is fine.

In both instances you're not truly earning the outcome.