Why do new players receive death threats for enjoying the story?

[Velo_Vandore]

I just want to throw it out there, if it wasn't for "speed runners" doing these story dungeons, you'd be waiting days for your DF to pop up for 8 like minded people to join.

Yeah, this is a fact that people overlook I think, and since coming to terms with that, I've come to terms with people using the duty finder for "speed runs" or rather farming runs (which are obviously a popular choice). That said, this doesn't mean the duty finder is exclusively for speed runners, and I reserve my right to queue hoping for a slower first time run (mainly after waiting hours already without success in the party finder). Obviously if there's a group that's not happy to compromise then unfortunately a kick / vote abandon / leave could be in order (whether it be initiated by the slower player or the faster player), but there's no need for anyone to be rude about it. People should just respect each others preferences and accept it's bad luck if the duty finder group has a conflict of interests, not bully or force the other player to conform to their objective. Vote abandon doesn't always have to be used spitefull or in rage, i.e. "Sorry, most of us are farming this and don't really want to wait around for cutscenes. Good luck getting a story run in your next group".

When would be speed runners do slow down for one player, I think that's really awesome, but if they're not willing to make that sacrifice I wouldn't call them selfish either.

I do think developers could help alleviate the issue a little by raising awareness of the party finder, particularly for first timers / casual players. Currently I see it's really only used for experienced or learning groups for ex mode primals or coil, or myth farming / speedrun groups. Now I can put up an ad for a slow and easy Praetorium, or Pharos, but it doesn't mean anyone will come. My suggestions are:

1. In the duty finder menu, an icon with a number inside could indicate how many party finder groups are currently recruiting for each duty.
2. Allow me to recieve notifications when party finder groups are available matching my specific preferences. i.e I could register to be notified for any slow and easy run in Praetorium, Wanderer's Palace and Haukke HM.

I think if all types of players were encouraged to make better use of the party finder, we might see less problems resulting from conflicting interests in the duty finder.

I do understand that ultimately, as you say there are less players doing first time runs, so you will always need to wait for some time before getting a willing "slow" group. But I do think the suggestions above would help a lot. It would be a shame for new players to have to cave in and play in a way that they don't enjoy or simply not play.

[KingOfAbyss]

Um... Okay.

Yo Duuude!

You seem to be missing a point here: sure you are right and right and right about the dang PF. We can make any groups there, stating what we want (I will take all loots, please join me) and then others need to abide by your rules.

When you have 3 hours on your day to play, you can't wait PF to fill up, just like you can't wait for Animus fates (Seps?) to spawn on that timeframe.

It's getting seriously old.

One solution isn't the ALL solution.

SE can improve constantly, and by giving some positive input (yes, the idea proposed is one), it can make the game better, for everyone.

[Spoekes]

The Main Scenario Roulette was made to help players which are at this point in the storyline.

You should never forget that you are helping ppl in the storyline (and cutscenes are a part of this) and that's (time and patience) what you get your tomes for.
It's not the new players which help you get tomes asap and in return they get screwed in the cutscenes - how can one even think this way?!

After all, we are talking about that particular Roulette which is titled: Main Scenario which includes essential cutscenes.

If players are selfish and not social in this regard, the Devs should do smth.
Make cutscenes unskippable in Main Scenario Roulette!

If a player cannot take that the run will be like 30 mins with cutscenes, don't queue for Main Story Roulette - there are other ways to get quick tomes!
Quite sure the ppl that want to watch cutscenes will gladly wait double the waitingtime if they can play that thing the way it is meant to..

[KingOfAbyss]

I have no qualms with the players who skip the cutscenes, I don't expect them to wait around when they've seen it already. I would do exactly the same thing as them in their position. Of course I don't approve of them sending me death threats though. I am merely upset with the design and I believe there must be a fix otherwise this will happen to people for as long as the game is running. There isn't even a point to there being a storyline if a solution hasn't been found. :/ Reporting them will solve nothing and is absolutely pointless.

Watching it in the inn completely takes the story out of context. The main problem is that I had NO IDEA that watching the cutscenes, which were put there for me to watch, would force me to have the game ruined for me. So telling me that I should have been more considerate is like telling someone they shouldn't have tripped while walking.

Yup, the attitude comes and we can't blame them, solo games, that were created before MMOs.

Everyone's time is precious; lots of threads are made about it, hopefully SE will catch upon it, and make separate instances, or PF could be filled.. with chocobos? (help us here ^^)

Gaming is serious business: there ain't no place for fun for everyone, so move it!

[KingOfAbyss]

I'm not sympathetic to your needs, sorry bro. That's a lot of your problem, I just hear a lot of me me me, it's an mmorpg it should be we we we.

Hence why he asked for the age.

[Xystic]

Its rude for either side really.

Its rude to make others who pay to watch the cutscenes, skip them but at the same time, Its rude to make the people who are helping you wait.

Early on, newer players, similar to the ones now wanting to watch all the cut-scenes need to remember that at one point, there were not enough people doing these older dungeons up to the 8 mans. In order to solve this situation, the duty roulette was installed with bonuses. However, what made these bonuses more appealing than anything is that they were fast and efficient. In the past, people stop doing slow and inefficient dungeons all together but because the duty roulette provided a substantial amount of bonuses that could be obtain in a timely manner, veterans flocked back in to these inefficient/older dungeons. On the other hand, without newer players needing help in these older dungeons, there wouldn't be duty roulettes with bonuses.

In truth, newer players should respect that veterans want to go fast and efficient because that is what got them to come in the first place. Remember, newer players struggled to form 8 man parties or for older dungeons. The inn is a nice feature that allows you to be courteous to these players who actually are helping you pass a point in your progression that otherwise would not be possible this late in to the game. However, this does not give veterans an excuse to be hostile and they should let newer players watch some of the important cut-scenes so newer players are not necessarily running around clueless. Veterans need to remember, if newer players didn't need these dungeons, there wouldn't be such bonuses and etc involved with doing older dungeons to begin with.

[Starkbeaumont]

not sure why there are so many sympathizing with the speedrunners?! the bonus from the story roulette is not handed out for harassing ppl and forcing them into skipping stuff. Of course you want to get it done as fast as possible but you should still respect others. Your 15 bucks are not worth more then their 15 bucks.
And remember that one of those new ppl might be the future tank or healer you'll be in dire need of!

[Velo_Vandore]

The Main Scenario Roulette was made to help players which are at this point in the storyline.

You should never forget that you are helping ppl in the storyline (and cutscenes are a part of this) and that's (time and patience) what you get your tomes for.
It's not the new players which help you get tomes asap and in return they get screwed in the cutscenes - how can one even think this way?!

After all, we are talking about that particular Roulette which is titled: Main Scenario which includes essential cutscenes.

If players are selfish and not social in this regard, the Devs should do smth.
Make cutscenes unskippable in Main Scenario Roulette!

If a player cannot take that the run will be like 30 mins with cutscenes, don't queue for Main Story Roulette - there are other ways to get quick tomes!
Quite sure the ppl that want to watch cutscenes will gladly wait double the waitingtime if they can play that thing the way it is meant to..

I used to agree with this and even have gone to lengths like sitting down and not healing because the group won't wait for someone in their scene, but I'm not too proud of that anymore :/ If you check developers comments on the duty roulette before they implemented it (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...812-02-2013%29) yes, they speak about the roulette being a way to reward players for helping others to complete the main scenario, but they also talk about the roulette being an efficient way to level, and about the possibility to let pre-formed parties recieve the roulette reward in a later patch (in other words speedrunners can still benefit from a daily bonus).

Now I think there's more than one valid purpose to the duty roulette bonus:

1. So experienced players are encouraged to support new players
2. To pace players with different amounts of playtime available. Those who can only playt a couple hours a night can keep up with current content thanks to the roulette. Those with many hours will progress more slowly once the bonus is spent and therefore won't finish all content too quickly and lose interest in the game before next patch.
3. Keep each dungeon alive for any player (old or new), rather than just having 99/100 players farming brayflox hm

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Don't get me wrong, I personally will always prefer to wait for players watching cutscenes and support inexperienced players too. In a vote kick situation they will always get my vote unless they have been rude. But I also don't want to be hypocritical and be rude to players using the roulette for a speed-run. If's that's their preference and they respect that I won't want to stay in the group and speedrun my first run for them, then that's cool.

[Sadana]

I agree with the OP about how sad it is to be forced to SR a main story dungeon like CM and Prae. The game tells players to "use the Duty Finder to enter the dungeon", never "get 7 of your friends to enter the dungeon and watch all cutscenes like you want" nor "use the Party Finder to recruit 7 others willing to watch cutscenes with you". They should remove the option to skip cutscenes in main story DR or, like has been suggested upstream, give the 'skip cs' vote to the party before enabling party chat.

[Sebastos]

Honestly the simple solution would be to put the ring around the party during cut scenes ( like the start of every dungeon) but allow us to switch jobs. If I could do a crafting item or two while someone else watches a CS then I wouldn't feel like I was wasting my time. The CS could end, everyone switches back to their job, ring fades, game on. Is it perfect, no, but it's better then nothing.