Best Gear in Coil needs to end

[juniglee]

1.) The difference is that more than 2 pieces might be worth getting that has actual stats that are a real upgrade from ilvl90 gear outside of vit.
2.) The need for alternatives is because the 0 tolerance mechanics of coil doesn't make it easy to do simply because you have more gear. More gear, more like 2 pieces, doesn't turn a 0 tolerance mechanic into a 2 mistakes it's gg for everyone mechanic.
3.) Manage a raid, literally right now, drop your static and go into party finder, go make a static outside of your fc/ls and friends, for 2 whole months tell me how that goes make sure to record all of it good and bad.

1. ilv100 is also a real upgrade to i90 gear. i90 crafted is also an upgrade over i90 allagan/myth gear. Why specifically, do you need i110? Why is i100 not good enough? It is also a DPS upgrade - increased STR, increased DEX, increased INT.
2. What's to say CT2 won't have its own 0 tolerance mechanics too? If it does, will you lot still continue asking for ONE more gear progression route? Echo buff certainly hasn't helped anyone with Titan EX, and it's been around for 3 months.
3. Pray switch to Tonberry please. There's PF for T9. People have been clearing T8 via PF as well.

[Gormogon]

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1.) you lose accuracy
2.) CT had 0 tolerance mechanics yet it was way more lenient than titan's landslide and half of twintania's kit.
3.) I said for you to do it.

If you think managing a raid full of strangers new to raiding beings so easy to do go ahead and do so. See for yourself first hand and record the experience.

[juniglee]

1.) you lose accuracy
2.) CT had 0 tolerance mechanics yet it was way more lenient than titan's landslide and half of twintania's kit.
3.) I said for you to do it.

If you think managing a raid full of strangers new to raiding beings so easy to do go ahead and do so. See for yourself first hand and record the experience.

Why do you have to manage "strangers"?

1. You can look for a group.
2. You can form your own group. It ends up becoming an LS/FC of its own anyway. LS raid parties aren't uncommon.

It's all been there, done that. I joined this game with no friends, and I made new friends in my FC. Our roster has been mixed and matched a number of times - people come and go. Managing a static is no different than managing "strangers". When I joined my raid static, I was the outsider, and everyone else were strangers.

I don't get why you are defending people who are too lazy to look for a group. There's PF, there's shout channels, there's official server subforums, there's a number of community forums, and there's Reddit. Lots of outlets to look for a group. Just because you don't want to find one, or deal with people, does not mean that content should be made easier for you.

CT gear was i80. Made for dealing with Binding Coil (i90). I don't see how Soldiery at the moment is any different. The Warrior of Light tank set from CT had no accuracy either. CT was definitely more lenient than Titan EX, and Twintania, but the cost was that the gear you got from it was 10 item levels lower than the gear from Titan EX and Twintania (Twintania drops i95 weapons, but also drops i90 armor/accessories).

Don't pick the hard way (pugging Coil week in week out), then complaining stuff should be made easier for you.

[Gormogon]

Why do you have to manage "strangers"?

If you don't want to do it, just say so. No need of being so defensive despite saying it was so easy to do.

Just because others can do what you wont doesn't mean you have the liberty to hide behind their success.

[juniglee]

If you don't want to do it, just say so. No need of being so defensive despite saying it was so easy to do.

Just because others can do what you wont doesn't mean you have the liberty to hide behind their success.

Yep. Continue ignoring all other points made. Well done!

[Gormogon]

Yep. Continue ignoring all other points made. Well done!

You ignore mine I ignore yours it's only fair.

Take it up with the 0 tolerance mechanics guy if you hate it so much.

Disagree Entirely with this guys thread.

Agree Entirely with this guys thread.

[Ooshima]

CT had 0 tolerance mechanics yet it was way more lenient than titan's landslide and half of twintania's kit.

Erm... CT had 0 tolerance mechanics? King Behemoth'd be prolly the toughest fight there but the reason people wiped is because you have clueless monkeys running around, not knowing what to do and new tanks who can't tank the Iron Giant properly, despite having more than ample time to react to it. Things like landslide gives you shorter response time and Titan EX requires more situational awareness than CT.

And that's why CT gives i80, not i90.

Anyways, nope. I'm not signing up for your so called "SE stop using 0 tolerance mechanics" so that more people do coil and get the highest tier gears.

Maybe SE could do something like 2.1, introducing i110 accessories (only accessories) drops from EX primals (Ramuh maybe?) but of course, should pose similar difficulty as Coil 2 turns. I welcome a variety of choice but the difficult of the fight must match the ilvl of the gear offered.

Left-hand-side body pieces which offers VIT and defensive stat upgrades should probably still be gated behind Coil. I'd agree that the current situation is a little annoying with everything gated that's why I welcome a difficult Ramuh fight in 2.3 that would drop i110 accessories for a variety.

BUT! At least right now I can tell who can handle 0 tolerance mechanics and have the discipline and who do not. Simply because currently, Turn 7 is a huge discipline check. If I see you have T7 drops it means you passed T7 and you have the discipline. If you had a T8 drop it means you have both the discipline, and the required understanding of your class to pass the required DPS check on Turn 8.

If you do not possess these qualities, you can be contented with Soldier gears and upcoming CT2 choices. Although having better gears does indeed make things easier to roll due to higher damage and higher HP whatever, but that's because you and your raid already knows what to do, had the skill and discipline to do it. Just look around and you'll see players decked in i90 myth gears with a mix of i100 soldiery in T5 who can't even dodge divebombs and twister properly and wiping despite 15% echo buff. Does gear help these people? Nope, not really. If you can't handle low tolerance mechanics, i1000 gear doesn't help because you will still get one-shot by that mechanic.

[Gormogon]

Simply because currently, Turn 7 is a huge discipline check. If I see you have T7 drops it means you passed T7 and you have the discipline. If you had a T8 drop it means you have both the discipline, and the required understanding of your class to pass the required DPS check on Turn 8.

You know there's a big loophole there. Coil doesn't drop gear for everyone. So you're saying that 2 out of 8 people have the discipline? Guess we better go tell all those top 100 guilds that they have undisciplined players in their group because these bosses don't drop 8 chests and have a weekly lock out.

As for CT all of those bosses have 0 tolerance mechanics the difference between Coil and CT is that you literally have to want the wipe for it to happen.

Bone Dragon - AoE every skeleton on top of the boss.
Thanatos - Allow for every pot to die.
King Behemoth - horribly positioned meteors + letting them break on purpose.
Acheron - Ancient Flare mechanic.

I dont get this thread

At this point I'm starting to wonder what has more difficulty this thread or turn 9.

[Ooshima]

You know there's a big loophole there. Coil doesn't drop gear for everyone. So you're saying that 2 out of 8 people have the discipline? Guess we better go tell all those top 100 guilds that they have undisciplined players in their group because these bosses don't drop 8 chests and have a weekly lock out.

Erm, I dare to say every top 100 FC players would already have at least a piece of coil loot by now, sorry. Come on, top 100 FCs, T6-8 are already on farm for weeks already. And I've also known teams that will assign oil and sands to their players if they are faced with extremely bad RNG luck. Gear distribution is widely practiced in progression teams.

Out of curiosity what's your coil progression?

As for CT all of those bosses have 0 tolerance mechanics the difference between Coil and CT is that you literally have to want the wipe for it to happen.

Bone Dragon - AoE every skeleton on top of the boss.
Thanatos - Allow for every pot to die.
King Behemoth - horribly positioned meteors + letting them break on purpose.
Acheron - Ancient Flare mechanic.

You have to differentiate between a mechanic that can wipe a team and a mechanic that can wipe a team but at the same time, have a very short reaction time to it. You call the latter a low or zero tolerance mechanic, not the former. Not every wipe-able mechanic is zero tolerance.

Bone Dragon is not a low/zero tolerance mechanic. Do you realize you have donkey amount of time to kill all the skeletons?

Thanatos is the same. How to even let the pot die with you have so much time to top it up, and you could stoneskin + regen it beforehand.

KB? Again, donkey seconds allowance before the meteor dropped. Even if they are badly placed, it is still manageable if the alliance handing Iron Giant is not an idiot. I already told you the reason you would wipe is the tank handing Iron Giant sucks and allowed it to run around like mad man.

Archeon? Ancient Flare? The player must be falling asleep if he didn't made it in time.


Ancient Flare is nothing compared to things like Weigh of the Land and Landslide. Sometimes, casters have to sprint to get out of it. Ancient Flare? Nope, you don't need to do so. Want something more difficult? T5 divebomb, or even T9's divebomb. Any split second lag or indecisiveness from you as a player equates to death or even a wipe. Yes, you call this a low/zero tolerance mechanic. Not Ancient Flare, lol.

[Gormogon]

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1.) That's not what you said.
2.) I wasn't looking forward to T6 due to all the elitism and negativity and when I tried it the first time and got nothing but rage quitters within the first 4 attempts despite reaching the last phase I decided not to bother. I'd rather wait for CT2 > SCoB progression and hope the community is more tolerable or put up with SCoB when it goes to duty finder.
3.) Like I said those are zero tolerance mechanics just because they are lenient, as in giving you enough time to react, doesn't mean they wont cause a wipe. They still will but are in no way as stressful to deal with as Landslide.