For /Crosshotbar and /hotbar, allow us to actually set stuff.

[RhynAzullo]

Maybe I don't understand the problem fully.
I'm on PC but I use a gamepad and crosshotbars for all battle actions. I play WAR, WHM, MNK, and BLM.
While I don't use more than 3 hotbars per job, each job can have a unique set of up to 8 bars. You can also choose if you want certain bars shared with all jobs or if you want to keep some independent.

Additionally you can set it to cycle through only specific bars when pressing R1, and you can split bars up to be used depending on whether your weapon is out or not. It can be set up to be very versatile.

One last note, although with regular hotbars you get 10 bars and only 8 with crosshotbars, the latter actually has more total slots since normal hotbars accommodate 12 abilities while each crosshotbar holds up to 16.

[ariaandkia]

Maybe I don't understand the problem fully.
I'm on PC but I use a gamepad and crosshotbars for all battle actions. I play WAR, WHM, MNK, and BLM.
While I don't use more than 3 hotbars per job, each job can have a unique set of up to 8 bars. You can also choose if you want certain bars shared with all jobs or if you want to keep some independent.

Additionally you can set it to cycle through only specific bars when pressing R1, and you can split bars up to be used depending on whether your weapon is out or not. It can be set up to be very versatile.

One last note, although with regular hotbars you get 10 bars and only 8 with crosshotbars, the latter actually has more total slots since normal hotbars accommodate 12 abilities while each crosshotbar holds up to 16.

You get effectively less though since with hotbars, you get 120 at any given time while with crosshotbars, you only have 16+16=32 at most. So while crosshotbar gets 128, the effective value is actually lower.

To really understand the issue, you really need to play as a scholar where you need to place your pet and sometimes you need to control it manually, especially when you need skills to activate in a specific order to get a nice combo going, but also need it to happen fast (thus you can't simply macro it) and might need to shorten the combo on the fly (less effect but when you really need something right away...) And as I mentioned above, combined with the extra tasks I'm often expected to do, I tend to need a great variety of setups, especially when dealing with roulette (Can't exactly tell my party to wait five minutes while I set up my hotbars for that dungeon every time)

[Muzy]

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WAR is my main now, but I started off as SCH. Sure, you only have 32 slots visible at a time with the crosshotbars, but really, that's plenty.

I have 2 of my bars when playing SCH setup for each pet, both bars are identical aside from pet skills, and a few macros to utilize said pet skills. For example, Eos I have a Rouse + Whisper Dawn macro(Which, tbh, is all you really need for Eos), and for Selene I have a macro for her silence and a macro for her buffs. Fey Illumination, Fey Covenant and the embraces are just on the bars without macros, since quite frankly they don't need them.

Then I take advantage of the L2+R2 bars, which is my third class bar, having one of those have the summons, swift cast and attacks and such, basically anything that I don't feel the need to watch the cooldowns on.

[ariaandkia]

WAR is my main now, but I started off as SCH. Sure, you only have 32 slots visible at a time with the crosshotbars, but really, that's plenty.

I have 2 of my bars when playing SCH setup for each pet, both bars are identical aside from pet skills, and a few macros to utilize said pet skills. For example, Eos I have a Rouse + Whisper Dawn macro(Which, tbh, is all you really need for Eos), and for Selene I have a macro for her silence and a macro for her buffs. Fey Illumination, Fey Covenant and the embraces are just on the bars without macros, since quite frankly they don't need them.

Then I take advantage of the L2+R2 bars, which is my third class bar, having one of those have the summons, swift cast and attacks and such, basically anything that I don't feel the need to watch the cooldowns on.

See, the expectations of your parties seem to be different from the expectations of mine. Mine expect me to do a lot more than just heal or DPS.

This is like saying that a car without a fourth wheel or without a rearview mirror is fine because you don't really need them anyways. Even though you might not absolutely need them, they still should be there.

Really, this is just getting sidetracked.

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One way or another, how does it make any sense that the command can't set certain things that obviously are capable of being set through other methods.

[PArcher]

To really understand the issue, you really need to play as a scholar where you need to place your pet and sometimes you need to control it manually, especially when you need skills to activate in a specific order to get a nice combo going, but also need it to happen fast (thus you can't simply macro it) and might need to shorten the combo on the fly (less effect but when you really need something right away...) And as I mentioned above, combined with the extra tasks I'm often expected to do, I tend to need a great variety of setups, especially when dealing with roulette (Can't exactly tell my party to wait five minutes while I set up my hotbars for that dungeon every time)

OK, wait. What?

I'm now guessing you're just trying to overcomplicate this.

I can't see your achievements, and you are currently a (really weirdly geared) SMN on your lodestone, so I can't actually tell if you've done any raiding.

Saying you need to manually control your fairy with extreme precision in roulette dungeons is just...wow. You barely have to pay attention as a healer in them. No one, especially in a roulette, is expecting raid-quality (and that's pushing it, I know you don't need to do this stuff the vast majority of the time) healing.

I have 2 combat bars for my SCH. That's it. Two. And I heal Levi EX (including the fun manual control of Eos) and T5 (lazy Selene-gone-wild fun time...Echo buff makes needing the healing boost from Eos completely unnecessary, especially at i90) perfectly fine.

[ariaandkia]

OK, wait. What?

I'm now guessing you're just trying to overcomplicate this.

I can't see your achievements, and you are currently a (really weirdly geared) SMN on your lodestone, so I can't actually tell if you've done any raiding.

Saying you need to manually control your fairy with extreme precision in roulette dungeons is just...wow. You barely have to pay attention as a healer in them. No one, especially in a roulette, is expecting raid-quality (and that's pushing it, I know you don't need to do this stuff the vast majority of the time) healing.

I have 2 combat bars for my SCH. That's it. Two. And I heal Levi EX (including the fun manual control of Eos) and T5 (lazy Selene-gone-wild fun time...Echo buff makes needing the healing boost from Eos completely unnecessary, especially at i90) perfectly fine.

Every time I do expert mode/high mode roulette, people expect me to do more work than just healing and damage. Not only do they expect me to be able to handle speed runs with multiple pulls-often pulling all the way up to a barricade, but they expect me to help AOE while healing. In addition to that, they expect me to do the markings for things such as doors, special targets, etc. In addition to any other tasks that they might decide on for me. But again, not the point of the topic.

I normally do most of my playing around 8-12 GMT due to it being when healers have the bonus.

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Seriously, can we get back on topic? That isn't the point of the topic. The point of the topic was that we can set these things manually, but we can't do it via text commands even though it would make total sense to be able to.

[Gardes]

It can't really 'get back on topic' when you're claiming that you need 9 sets when most people use around 4 out of 8. You claim that you need 9 because you're some super scholar commander that does multiple roles in combat. Of course, the plebeian scholar like me and others wouldn't understand because we somehow fit healing spells, manual pet control, damage spell, potions, marks and waypoints, and even out of combat use buttons like job change/gear change, mounts, minions and the like under 5 sets. Are you sure you're using the shared setting correctly?

So yes, you need to explain why some of what you want is necessary. How can you even expect any community mods to report back to japan on what you want if your peers cant even understand what you're saying? I dont even know what you're doing with /chotbar set mid combat and in the first place, I dont even think /chotbar set should even be used in anything outside initial ui setup. It's a permanent change and in the event that you somehow fumble (I'm sure you're perfect), it has a high chance of messing with your skill placements. Even if you have a contingency macro to reset them, it'll likely waste precious seconds. /chotbar change or even copy is still the better way to use /chotbar macros mid combat.

I'd really like to know how you find /chotbar set mounts, minion, gearset, main commands is crucial in any way mid combat. Hell, I dont even see how companion commands is even necessary considering the content it can be used on.

[PArcher]

Every time I do expert mode/high mode roulette, people expect me to do more work than just healing and damage.

Um...no. People expect you to heal, and DPS when you can. You also need to deal with a dungeon's mechanics as appropriate.

Not only do they expect me to be able to handle speed runs with multiple pulls-often pulling all the way up to a barricade, but they expect me to help AOE while healing.

If you're a well-geared SCH (i80+) you can handle speed-runs in Brayflox if everyone else wants to do them. Its not hard, Adlo and Lustrate spam, Whispering Dawn and that other Eos healing ability. DPSing...no one expects that, never seen anyone ask a heal to do that, even in really strict pre-mades.

In addition to that, they expect me to do the markings for things such as doors, special targets, etc. In addition to any other tasks that they might decide on for me.

OK, so people expect you to actually run the dungeon and not autopilot. Marking doors is always best for a ranged person, healers especially; those first few seconds nothing is going on for you, so Healers are just best for the job. As for "special targets" (whatever that means in these dungeons), its tank's job to mark enemies...



Yeah, you're just trying to overcomplicate things. I have no idea why, but you are. None of the 4-man dungeons are hard especially for a healer, and the only time you have to do any serious healing (outside of incoming wipes) is during a speed-run...which is NOT the norm.

Again...have you done any raiding? And what is your gear?

[Macka]

Every time I do expert mode/high mode roulette, people expect me to do more work than just healing and damage. Not only do they expect me to be able to handle speed runs with multiple pulls-often pulling all the way up to a barricade, but they expect me to help AOE while healing. In addition to that, they expect me to do the markings for things such as doors, special targets, etc. In addition to any other tasks that they might decide on for me. But again, not the point of the topic.

I normally do most of my playing around 8-12 GMT due to it being when healers have the bonus.

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Seriously, can we get back on topic? That isn't the point of the topic. The point of the topic was that we can set these things manually, but we can't do it via text commands even though it would make total sense to be able to.

I play sch also and I say hell with all that lol.