Vote Kick abuse really needs to end.

[AlexiaKidd]

They should just make it so if it is someones first time in the dungeon the cut scenes are unskippable by everyone. If everyone in the group has done the run then cut scene's are auto skipped.

[VesperValveto]

I like how I get a temp ban from god knows what today which I think because I posted a "Doge" pics since
it was deleted off a topic. [Only like 3 hours.] meanwhile I reported Vesper like 5 times and he's still here.
All he's done is trying his hardest to troll and insult and belittle everyone did I mention insult?
Which is against the ToS? Yeah, lemme get in trouble from doge's and we have king troll here
trying to piss us off lol.

You prolly got banned for abusing the report feature. This should be a lesson to people NOT to abuse the report feature.

[VesperValveto]

It's unfortunate that you've earned the label of "troll" by participating in this discussion.

I'm not too worried about the label of "troll"; all that means in this day and age is "someone who has a different opinion than my own".

Also, like I stated many times, my opinion on the matter is simple; Since there are 8 people in a grp and no one is any more special than another, logic dictates that the will of the majority shall prevail. If 7 people want to kick someone who refuses to just skip the cut scenes and watch them in the inn later, then that's how it is going to go down. The funny part is I usually vote no when people try to kick a CS watcher, cause I honestly don't care if they watch CS. If the rest of the party votes yes, that's how it goes. People should be more considerate of the grp when doing grp activities.

[Yshnal]

i am curious where could i read duty roulette was designed for helping new players? i thought duty roulette was design to motivate old players online everyday? ^^;

It's common sense that it was implemented that way both to help new players and to give some old players a reson to keep doing those duties (see: additional rewards), thus logging on... and helping new players. It's a symbiosis. If it was just for old players we would see two queues to avoid all this drama, yet they won't ever do that because that would screw new players.

Like it or not, but the roulette exists the way it does because of all that. There were a lot of issues about getting into some of the low level content before because many of the old players didn't bother to do those duties again, and that was one of the reasons they gave for implementing the duty roulette (the DR was first announced/implied on a thread about the queues' time for low level duties and all that, if I recall it correctly).

That being said, it doesn't matter if 7/8 players want to kick someone because of watching a cutscene. The way the game was done means that watching cutscenes is the default way to play it. When you use the DF, or the DR in fact, you should accept that you can get paired with new players that are doing said content for the first time, and that they'll want to watch those cutscenes. If waiting for them or letting them watch their CS is so big of an issue for you, for all that's holy, make a premade and farm the first two bosses of Brayflox HM. No one is going to stop you from doing that, I promise, and you'll get the same reward that you get from the main story roulette in like... 10-12 minutes? Otherwise, stop being an ass and let people enjoy the game. You don't have any valid reaon to complain or kick anyone when you have better alternatives.

[MeiUshu]

If the rest of the party votes yes, that's how it goes. People should be more considerate of the grp when doing grp activities.

Consideration doesnt work one way only.....and a group is not only for 7 people but all 8....

On a side note, you sure you can see ALL cutscenes ? I thought you could review them IF you saw them once, skipping them though makes it so that you ..didnt see them....as of today I cant still see the cutscenes of the final fight in the story line it simply isnt there.

Mei

[Velo_Vandore]

Please implement the following options in duty finder (single selection):

Cutscenes:
- ON
- OFF
- ANY

Make sure that cutscenes are automatically skipped when OFF is picked, so people don't just check ANY to get in fast then still try to watch the scenes. Likewise, make sure that cutscenes are unskipable if you pick ON, so players can't choose ANY for a short queue and then kick the only guy who was actually watching them. If ANY is selected, the player should be placed into one party type or the other (whichever is quickest). If all queuing have ANY selected the run would default to OFF, because a group of teachers is pointless without a pupil.

For the queue to work you would need the ANY player to have one "token" (or "presence") in each queue. When one group is filled, the other token would be dropped immediately from the other queue.

Let the roulette bonus apply to all groups. While I believe those "mentor" type players willing to support and slow down for new players should be rewarded, I feel they need to be inclined that way already and willing to help without special incentive, or they will not be much help to the new player anyway. Players grudgingly putting up with inexperienced players or cutscenes for the fast tomes is not going to create a good atmosphere for anyone. Perhaps a better reward for the mentor type player would be something in addition to the bonus tomes that is less progress based - perhaps something cosmetic or status based. Furthermore, I feel there's a case for daily roulette tome bonuses to all players whether supporting new players or speedrunning, because there is the aspect of available play time. Some players have many hours to play each night and some have only a couple. By providing a daily bonus you pace the players so those short on playtime can keep up, and those with plenty of playtime won't run out content immediately. We want all players to feel they can keep up with the content, without large portion running out too fast and un-subbing for months.

Anyway, while I have my own (strong) opinions about the cut-scene watching / skipping debate, I don't think it's useful to voice them again here, and ultimately we all need the devs to implement a solution that will work well (the players won't magically come to agreement because there is no absolute right and wrong, and it's not fair or wise for the devs to stand on one side or the other of this debate). I hope this post isn't too naive and will be constructive if noticed at all ^^;

[Motorball]

Also, like I stated many times, my opinion on the matter is simple; Since there are 8 people in a grp and no one is any more special than another, logic dictates that the will of the majority shall prevail.

No argument here, because I actually agree with this. I just don't agree that it should be considered harassment, based on the OP's account of what happened.

If 7 people want to kick someone who refuses to just skip the cut scenes and watch them in the inn later, then that's how it is going to go down.

The thing is we don't know if the first timer is refusing to skip the scenes out of sheer disregard for others, to waste people's time and annoy them, or if they simply are unaware that cut scenes can be watched at an inn. I still don't know if there's truth to being unable to go back and watch certain scenes that are skipped as I've yet to see any evidence to support it. At any rate, calling it harassment is a stretch too far. In order for it to be harassment it'd have to be something more along the lines of that player threatening that he obtained the group's IPs and will hit them with DoS attacks if they don't let him watch the cut scenes. I only use this example because something similar to this happened to me not long ago on another game.

[Grizzlebeard]

The thing is we don't know if the first timer is refusing to skip the scenes out of sheer disregard for others, to waste people's time and annoy them, or if they simply are unaware that cut scenes can be watched at an inn.

True story, I was in a Scenario Roulette the other day and one of the tanks and two of his friends (all in ilevel 90 gear, relics, etc) were watching every cutscene. I asked politely if they'd just watch them later in their inn as it was clear they'd ran this duty on at least one occasion and they were being a little inconsiderate to the other players. I was met with, "lol don't tell us how to enjoy our game!" and after a bunch of snarky responses (of which I was equally guilty) they kicked me from their party and out the duty. GM's in their true fashion were worthless and just suggested before starting a duty roulette I discuss with the party leader/alliance their stance on cutscenes before progressing. How does that help if they say they want to watch every cutscene but refuse to kick me for argument's sake?

I still don't know if there's truth to being unable to go back and watch certain scenes that are skipped as I've yet to see any evidence to support it.

Chances are the people who usually claim you can't watch all the cutscenes are oblivious to the slider on the bottom of the quest page where you can select the individual cutscenes under a specific "chapter".

[Garlyle]

Praetorium somehow attracts all the hyper impatient people.

On PS3, I get slightly longer load times just to get the cutscenes going. Even if I go straight to skipping them, I'm sometimes locked out of fights because people just zerg straight in with 0 regard. I see players activate the elevators with literally half the party left behind. It's disgusting.

Last time I went there on roulette, there was a group like that, and in addition to regularly locking me out, they basically ditched the Dragoon we had who was brand new. After endless "just watch at inn later lol", the guy just left. Not even vote kick - he abandoned duty because he was getting locked out of boss fights and trash mobs and everything.

It's not just vote kick abuse in general that needs to end, but a general attitude shift among the community that needs to happen.

[AiChyan]

Praetorium somehow attracts all the hyper impatient people.

Its getting worse. I haven't done Prae in months, did it recently for myth and omg D: there were two new people and they were ok with skipping CS but it took them a while too, and one got confused at the magitek part. This guy ended up fighting just the first boss and ultima :c no amount of "please wait for him" was responded to.

I just wish SE would implement a skip cutscenes option like the travel one, would save lots of time IMO and would stop at least part of the drama.