PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[zulu_kulu]

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Make all the excuses you want about why people are doing it. They don't really matter. People win trade because they can and they should be dealt with.

This "everything should have a shortcut" mindset is getting absurd. Even if they "fixed" PvP you would still have tools doing it.

indeed, i hope by 2.28,SE rollback all these guy rank or at least. i do not want to do coil (even though i love some the head gear for casters) , but im not gonna cheat my way to get it. gaming the system is always bad, regardless whether its pve or pvp. i didnt use the "join in progress" when it was hot thing to do in CT when it was popular nor do i exploit the "leave dungeon before eveyone is done watch cut scene, so i dont eat a 30 minutes penalty"

i cant believe how many guys here who was complaining about alot of pve exploits before, is now saying "it kinda ok in pvp cuz pvp sucks"


such hypocrisy

[Okazaki]

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indeed, i hope by 2.28,SE rollback all these guy rank or at least. i do not want to do coil (even though i love some the head gear for casters) , but im not gonna cheat my way to get it. gaming the system is always bad, regardless whether its pve or pvp. i didnt use the "join in progress" when it was hot thing to do in CT when it was popular nor do i exploit the "leave dungeon before eveyone is done watch cut scene, so i dont eat a 30 minutes penalty"

I agree to this, but I also understand the lack of attention by SE for this being a PVE centered game. But that isn't to say that it does not suck, they clearly want to advance the pvp scene, with all the gear, and features to come, but they aren't advancing their ability to take proper care of it.

I'm also hoping they start realising that they need to enforce more rules on their competitive scene in the near future.

[Rose-Wild]

In my opinion anyone that at this moment has rank 40 should be banned or have their rank reset and gear taken away.

[Yumi_umi]

Quick someone post questions about win trading on the live letter questions thread or something.

[Ametrine]

I gave it a try. First match, as a healer, entered in less than 5 min. About 5 min inside. 104 wolfmarks on 10 minutes.

Next match. 15 minutes on DF........... Tired of it. End of the try, I go do something else

But even winning always, around 100 wolfmaks, that means 120 maches per piece. And sometimes it can be more than 15 minutes to get inside? Come on.... And I thought that Atmas were too much grinding, this is even worse.

And fates and PVP are almost equally not-fun

Which is why I gave up on PVP after getting 2 items. My FC didn't want to help, and even as a healer (which is nearly always the first attacked and killed in matches), it would take anywhere from 10 min to an hour for a single few minutes of a match for just a few marks.

[Celaine]

Well, here's the thing. I have absolutely zero, read that zero interest in pvp. Not even for vanity gear. But I do have some FC members that strictly want pretty clothes. So I will suck it up and go with them and another group of 4 from our FC. We won't be playing with you, or bothering you, or one upping you in anyway. Just sigh, get it over with, and get the heck out. If SE says it's against ToS, then I'll respect that and will never darken the doors of the area again. Until then, I'll just sit on the ground, get killed, rinse and repeat. If we're not playing you and just getting inconsequential pretty things, I really don't see how it is or should be skin off anyone's nose.

[Okazaki]

I do have some FC members that strictly want pretty clothes. So I will suck it up and go with them and another group of 4 from our FC. We won't be playing with you, or bothering you, or one upping you in anyway. Just sigh, get it over with, and get the heck out. If SE says it's against ToS, then I'll respect that and will never darken the doors of the area again. Until then, I'll just sit on the ground, get killed, rinse and repeat. If we're not playing you and just getting inconsequential pretty things, I really don't see how it is or should be skin off anyone's nose.

The thing is this gear, is a thing of merit. Just like current coils High-Allagan gear, its not ok to exploit your way for vanity, work for it if you really care about it. I can respect peoples view on having vanity, but respect our view for having something that we actually achieve.

[Elvin]

Merit? You don't get high allagan gear by getting killed in Coil for 100 hours.

You can get the PVP gear by getting kill there for 100 hours. So... Merit? No. Patience, maybe, but not merit. When I see a guy on pvp gear no one thinks "That guy must be good", or at least almost no one. Most people will just think "Wah, that poor guy liked the PVP gear so much that he grinded it for hours".

[Logo]

Yeah I don't have a problem with two groups of 4-man queuing the DF for PVP with an alt language selected to specifically get each other - be it for win trading, to farm exp/seals, or just because they're tired of having their faces smeared on the floor because they don't have enough gear/abilities. It doesn't negatively impact anyone so why bother complaining about it.

It negatively impacts PVP overall.
IT'S PLAYER VS PLAYER.
wintrading gives an advantage to those cheating the system.

how this question is debatable to the community really makes my brain bleed.

[Okazaki]

Merit? You don't get high allagan gear by getting killed in Coil for 100 hours.

You can get the PVP gear by getting kill there for 100 hours. So... Merit? No. Patience, maybe, but not merit. When I see a guy on pvp gear no one thinks "That guy must be good", or at least almost no one. Most people will just think "Wah, that poor guy liked the PVP gear so much that he grinded it for hours".

If your goal is to lose in pvp my friend you are setting the bar extremely low, merit and achievement for dedicating yourself into one thing should be reason for reward.

and yes, you put in hours into coil, its called practice, as do wins in PVP.