Rush killed the cat!

[LalaRu]

Haukke Manor!

Gone there as marauder 27, it means, duty just unlocked and my gear, well, not optimal.

Got party with two 50s and one 32.

Everything going smooth, mobs killed fast, first boss flawlessy downed, keeping aggro on packs. I just were doing all chambers in order to hope chests give me the accessories to replace the abysmal level 8 still on (omg!)

On the road to second boss, one 50 (dps) says "can we rush up? my FC needs me", and provided to aggro himself the next pack, making me near to impossible retake aggro, all mobs scattered the way making totally ineffective the area aggro and me that trying to gain (not regain: gain!) aggro, running left and right, and at the end, wipe on trash mobs.

I just learned one lesson: if someone asks to rush, the only answer to give is a rude "NO!". I just hope that people who want rush, will learn to go play early instead make this kind of things

P.S. anyway, got accessories. The duty had pity on me heh!

[Merle]

Easy: you're tank and a dps wants to rush and doesn't watch aggro/pull mobs making you wipe on trash mobs? Let him die :3 *evil smile*

[LalaRu]

I just had pity of the poor healer and the other dps, who tried to get rid of situation, so tried me too. To let a fool dps die, it needs none of the other party members touching mobs or healing.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

But Geddy Lee is a national treasure, he'd never kill a cat! D:

[Kiara1]

Ppl think that pulling lots of mobs and then wiping is better than going slow for some reason

[Moqi]

Ppl think that pulling lots of mobs and then wiping is better than going slow for some reason

lol, this. Going nice and slow takes less time than rushing and wiping.

[Snowaeth]

So you have one bad example and you ll sell no to everyone forever from now on because of that?

(I understand you'r still learning, but at any and all lvls of the game the tank outputs more aggro generation no matter who the dps is, if played right)
If someone asks me to rush when I'm tanking and the rest of the party doesn't mind and I don't mind it, then I'd say okay and lead the way.

Even in your example you could of just told them: "Sure, but let me do the pulls from now on" or something like that.

[Merle]

Even in your example you could of just told them: "Sure, but let me do the pulls from now on" or something like that.

It seems you didn't get an archer/brd claiming everything before you're in range to even use provoke (more range than shield lob/tomahawk) xD

Even if is not the case, as a marauder 27, if dps were lvl 50, they can do more damage than enmity generated by the tank. Yes, there is leve-sync, BUT a level-synced lvl 50 characters who knows his skills can steal agro from tank if he goes ape-sh*t. When i did low-leves for Atma Books with my monk i joined parties with some good tanks (not 50) and sometimes i had to stop my dps to not steal the mobs (and yes, i was waiting for the tank to claim/get hate and attacking the mobs marked by him)

[Snowaeth]

It seems you didn't get an archer/brd claiming everything before you're in range to even use provoke (more range than shield lob/tomahawk) xD

Even if is not the case, as a marauder 27, if dps were lvl 50, they can do more damage than enmity generated by the tank. Yes, there is leve-sync, BUT a level-synced lvl 50 characters who knows his skills can steal agro from tank if he goes ape-sh*t. When i did low-leves for Atma Books with my monk i joined parties with some good tanks (not 50) and sometimes i had to stop my dps to not steal the mobs (and yes, i was waiting for the tank to claim/get hate and attacking the mobs marked by him)

If you know which skill does what and how to use them, no matter which dungeon Tank aggro > dps aggro.
(Back in 2.0 gear mattered quite a bit in here too, but since 2.1 getting threat on tank is trivial even when you'r way under-geared compared to the dps)
I do understand that a learning tank still wouldn't know how to pull this off properly, but for low lvls, when in doubt spam flash/overpower = gg.

Dps have no increased aoe emity skills at any lvl, tanks do. At best with burning all of his cooldowns the dps could get heavy threat on 1 mob which could be reclaimed with proper provoke timing or comboing if you don't have provoke yet (easy way to stop dps from taking dmg for a while during the reclaim period is to stun the mob).
There's nothing wrong with using flash/overpower more than once. And properly spreading the aggro combo between mobs will make the dps never able to keep up threat.

Also positioning makes things easy.
If the archer is aggroing the mobs there's only 2 ways the mobs will go, either to him or to the healer that will heal him. Guess where you have to be to get aggro back?

[Cherie]

I dunno, I mean, if you are new, you probably don't have a job crystal yet when you do haukke for the first time. (At level 30, you can do a quest to get one, it increases your stats by 10% and teaches you a new ability) Having that gives you 10% more health and threat obviously but, I've run haukke on paladin and warrior while leveling up. It's not terribly hard to keep threat over level50 level synced players. The OP did say they didn't have trouble till then after all.

But I totally agree with OP. If a dps charges the a room of mobs and starts to AOE before you even get there, it's not going to be really possible to get more than one back, especially at that level. A paladin might provoke one, hit it and then run around and stun everything, that's about all you can do. Warrior can only stun once so, beyond that... yea... it's a toughie

If this ever happens again and you wanna go all nutty, here's one option: Yell at the healer and remaining dps to follow you. Allow the offending dps to die. Tell the other two to stay far ahead of you, and then just kite the mobs, while they chase the healer, run after them and tomahawk. Stun when it's off cooldown to give the healer a bigger lead. If you can, do your threat combo. etc. Haukke is one of the few good places to kite mobs. While leveling the all my jobs, I've done quite a few haukke's and a bunch have gone badly because people are impatient or want to troll. Kiting in that place can be fun when that happens, but the healer needs to run away and either regen the tank or do whatever they can while running(scholar might be tougher but, you can command your pet to die for a few clutch heals on tank if you have to and then resummon). Eventually the tank will get threat on everything while running, and the remaining dps can kill them like normal.

Dunno, I'm used to people messing up dungeon runs on purpose, so I try to have fun with it if it happens. :P