So, appearantly I got added to a 'list'

[Eidolon]

I don't understand why would he join you first and blacklist you later?

Did you put it in the comment that you will lock "black mage body"? If the rule is clear, then he shouldn't have joined into your party from the beginning when he want same item?

He never joined. He literally sent the tell to me just to inform me that I'm black listed / on some kind of list, without ever joining. It's why I make the general assumption that he was a mage who was trying to leverage himself into the party easier via threat tactics.

Edit-in:

I always felt gear locking was a bit silly. If I already have the item, I'll join and play along. If I do need it, I won't even bother with the conflict. Know that I do have a silent dissenting opinion either way.

I've seen people make threads crying about when someone didn't play along with their pointless rules. The need/greed system is there for a reason. If you want to reserve gear, join a FC and run with them. They'll have structured rules in place. But PUGs with PF? Don't expect anyone to listen to your "conditions" in the end.

If you want to roll on gear without following an agreed upon guideline, don't join that party. I think it's most insulting to read, aknowledge, and accept the rules - and then to go off and roll Need on the items just because you feel differently about it. And the GM's (As shown on P.6) agree with that sentiment, which I am grateful for.

Though I will say, as long as your opinion is only dissenting, and you don't use that to try and roll need on the item, I have no problem with you. ^^

Neither side has the right to force their playstyle onto the other. Like others have said - this person has the right to do and make whatever 'list' they want. Just as I have the right to make whatever party I want, so long as I am honest and up-front about it. In this case, I was - A full notice in PF stating "N>G, Caster body locked" with block-out options on casters (MNK/DRG/BRD only.)

When someone sent me a tell saying, "Hey, I only need the caster boots - mind if I join?" I invited them. I trusted them because just as I was, they were honest and up front about what they wanted. They effectively got to lock the caster boots to themselves.

[Issac]

And the GM's (As shown on P.6) agree with that sentiment, which I am grateful for.

I checked out your quote, and that's a pretty big gray area. Now I wouldn't bother with any of this, I don't deal with people who do this with gear I'm also interested in the first place.

However, one could easily make it clear in party chat that they don't understand the rules. If you don't kick them as they keep repeating that, I mean, they would pretty much be immune on a technicality. I know that sounds silly, but it's about as silly as brats wasting the GM's time on resolving loot disputes.

As I said before, the best way to get what you want is to join a FC and earn it. You are free to make a PF but realize people will do what they want in a pick-up-group setting. Everyone has an equal right to the loot they want. In a FC, the consequence is being kicked and possibly blackballed from other allied FCs. In a PUG? It's silly to expect people to fear consequences.

[VallisRaine]

I wouldn't worry about it if they were playing the game right to begin with their Blacklist should already be filled with RMT 200/200 XDDD what a troll. This gave me a good idea though after 70+ runs and 5 chest drops later I still don't have my pld drop. Some ppl are just blessed by the Rng gods and what makes it worse is that when i did lose lot most of the time it was to someone who didn't need it for upgrade. Like my last Run i MT T1 and the other tank had ilvl100 body on.... Chest and neck drop and he gets both.... i hate ppl sometimes then he says "oh i lost" when he clearly won.

[RumiP]

However, one could easily make it clear in party chat that they don't understand the rules. If you don't kick them as they keep repeating that

That's kind of how it works. You kick people jerking your chain. It's your group.

[VallisRaine]

That's kind of how it works. You kick people jerking your chain. It's your group.

Only problem I've ever had with those groups is 9/10 the leader is the one dieing and wont kick there self lmao

[RumiP]

Only problem I've ever had with those groups is 9/10 the leader is the one dieing and wont kick there self lmao

Then you leave the group like a smart cookie and create your own cause you know you don't die to mechanics. Problem solved.

[Darske]

What's the big deal with Gear Locking? I'd be happy to help somebody get a specific piece of gear, since like they say, what goes around comes around. The next time I need a new hat or I'm starting a new Relic Reborn quest or whatever, that person might be willing to help me get it, like I helped them.

[alhandra]

why are people against loot locking? generally in those parties you can lock your own loot as well, for instance. tank wants to lock caster body, no big deal if a caster doesnt need it he can join and lock some tank loot. win/win

if you are to socially inept to have an open conversation about loot, or such a loot whore that the idea of someone else having a free shot at some loot bothers you then dont join a greed/loot locked group.

pretty freakin simple if you ask me

[Traek]

I never join groups where the leader reserves gear for themselves. I am sure there are a lot more people who don't say anything they just don't join your group. If you ever wonder why your group is filling up slow its probably because you reserve gear for yourself and a lot of people just won't join groups like that.

^ This.

More of these type of groups keep cropping up lately, and just has me shaking my head. Greed party locks especially. "Everyone come follow the rules, except myself, because I'm special and get ??? item." The guy should have just blacklisted and added to his silly list and moved on though. /telling and arguing was just straight drama lamaing.

The best way to *fairly* create a *lock party* would be to let every person lock one item for themselves, and either put that in the title, or macro the list for someone joining to see, with a descriptor in the title. *One item lock per person, everything else greed* type thing.

It is your party though OP, I just hope people stop joining and inadvertently supporting those type of parties.

You are free to make a PF but realize people will do what they want in a pick-up-group setting. Everyone has an equal right to the loot they want. In a FC, the consequence is being kicked and possibly blackballed from other allied FCs. In a PUG? It's silly to expect people to fear consequences.

While I don't agree with the way most lock parties are set up, this attitude is just as bad if not worse. There is agreed upon rules when joining any PF, whether it be gear levels, experience levels, or general loot rules. Just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean you join and dick around with the 7 other people who joined expecting something from a run. The GMs made it clear they can and will act on these things, and they should. If you don't agree with the loot rules, don't join. Simple.

[TheRogueX]

I guess I don't see why people are so goddamn selfish in these games. It's an MMO, we're here to play together, why are people so unwilling to help each other?

Really, though, this problem ends up being related to the Armory system and the fact that everyone can be every class. That's honestly the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in an MMO, and I really wish FF14 hadn't done it.