Content sellers and Party Finder

[Zaels]

They negatively affect my playing experience when they join my parties for further content and proceed to suck at it, make repeated mistakes without learning from them, and waste everyone's time.

Then the cycle continues as they pay for a carry once it's no longer time-locked like coil.

[Raxion]

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Your question to me would be: "Why do you care, if it doesn't effect YOU personally?"

My questions to you would be: "Why even play the game if your going to pay to skip it, rather than experience it firsthand?"


Truth is, I couldn't care less what people do with their time in game. I, in no way, think that what I'm saying in this thread is going to change people buying content-clears. I just want people to realize that they're only killing the game for themselves by paying for wins.

The ones you're buying the clears from, they're the ones playing and enjoying the game. All you're doing is paying them to play the game while carrying you on their back. Buying a clear is accepting the fact that you're simply not good enough to do it otherwise.

[Amberion]

No one has said "But it negatively affects MY playing experience for THIS reason..." Because it doesn't

Of course it's effecting people in a bad way. Now that player will be able to join next turn. And the people he/she joins up with will think he actually have the skill to be there.

I'm personally not against paying for help. But I am against paying for carries.

[Zaels]

Your question to me would be: "Why do you care, if it doesn't effect YOU personally?"

My questions to you would be: "Why even play the game if your going to pay to skip it, rather than experience it firsthand?"


Truth is, I couldn't care less what people do with their time in game. I, in no way, think that what I'm saying in this thread is going to change people buying content-clears. I just want people to realize that they're only killing the game for themselves by paying for wins.

The ones you're buying the clears from, they're the ones playing and enjoying the game. All you're doing is paying them to play the game while carrying you on their back. Buying a clear is accepting the fact that you're simply not good enough to do it otherwise.

Agreed. Although there are some cases where a player has no friends or people to play with.

But in their cases that's the problem they need to deal with because endgame content are not soloable and require a group to run. And once they get their carry, unless they start making friends and connections they'll be stuck on the next tough thing and resort to buying a carry if it's available. At that point, I really don't see the point in continuing playing an MMO.

[Raxion]

2) Let's see if you can clear content being extremely overgeared with tome gear and when echo is increased to 10 or 15 stacks. Maybe SE will take away Titan's landslide like they took away the bees from AK. The point isn't whether or not you can clear content with echo, the point is that SE fully intends every player to eventually be able to clear every piece of content, one way or another. If echo doesn't cut it, they'll just do something else that will and players still might not be ready for the next piece of content.

Exactly my point! SE is constantly implementing ways to simplify content over time. It's how most MMOs do their progressive content. But instead of trying to learn these fights and progress like a normal players, they pay to skip it, even though they're destined to beat it eventually. How low do you think of yourself to have to pay for runs, knowing that they're easy and getting easier?

[kidvideo]

They negatively affect my playing experience when they join my parties for further content and proceed to suck at it, make repeated mistakes without learning from them, and waste everyone's time.

Then the cycle continues as they pay for a carry once it's no longer time-locked like coil.

I understand completely but your point is based on assumption & that is well, you know, not fact.

[Raxion]

Agreed. Although there are some cases where a player has no friends or people to play with.

But in their cases that's the problem they need to deal with because endgame content are not soloable and require a group to run. And once they get their carry, unless they start making friends and connections they'll be stuck on the next tough thing and resort to buying a carry if it's available. At that point, I really don't see the point in continuing playing an MMO.

Voice of an angel. This is pretty much exactly what I've been saying.

[Purrfectstorm]

They negatively affect my playing experience when they join my parties for further content and proceed to suck at it, make repeated mistakes without learning from them, and waste everyone's time.

Then the cycle continues as they pay for a carry once it's no longer time-locked like coil.

Players who join PF are trying and not being lazy (as some on this thread suggested they should). But you'd be mad at them because they were bad and held your group back. You're worried about them buying carries because they'll probably (at least at first) try to win without buying a carry (who has that much gil to throw around after all). Then you're back in the same situation - being held back by people who, though they may be trying to win with all their might, just aren't good enough.

If they aren't good enough to beat the content though (or can't find groups good enough who can, paid or otherwise) how long do you think they'll continue to play? Is this your goal, that the bad players be so far behind you that they'll never slow your own progress? I guess players who quit will be the farthest behind you but I doubt that would be very good for the long-term health of the game.

[kidvideo]

My questions to you would be: "Why even play the game if you’re going to pay to skip it, rather than experience it firsthand?"

Who knows? Life is complex. Maybe someone isn't able to clear the content due to a physiological issue. Maybe they only have a hour or less a week to set aside to play the game but they still paid for the software & sub.

Buying a clear is accepting the fact that you're simply not good enough to do it otherwise.

That's harsh judgment of others. One I don't feel comfortable making of another person without knowing their circumstance. But hey, the internet & elitists. /shrug

[Licus]

Mercs and sales are not going anywhere. Chilllax and blist me and who ever else does sales. Problem solved.

There will always be bad players to ruin pugs and pf groups. Sales or the absents of sales will will hardly impact the number of less skilled players in the end game. The truth is that there will always be someone there to fuck up a pug regardless if he/she has a primal weapon or t5 weapon.