Content sellers and Party Finder

[Raxion]

I'll tell you their reason. It's one of the rare opportunities for someone to stand proudly as they denounce other people & state in their unequivocal terms how bad others are. Merc groups are a litmus test. You're either against it, or you don't care & have no problem with it. What better platform for someone to feel self-congratulatory in their own accomplishments while they try to shame others. Very much like politics & religion.

No one should care as no one is getting hurt or harmed. So you see a shout in chat for a merc clear. That’s no different from any other LFM message. So someone give some gil to get help clearing T5. So what? The gear they may get from it isn’t tradable. The gear isn’t finite. It will be there for the next group.

Man…

There are so many things about this post that made me facepalm. It's like you saw an opening to let out some of your frustration towards players you assume to be elitists, built up a self-interpreted argument on their behalf, then shot holes in it to make it look like you were making sense.

Sure, some people get butthurt about others buying clears for those reasons, but it's definitely not the opinion of everyone that disagrees with the idea of buying content-clears.

They didn't get "help" clearing T5, they paid a group of better players to clear it for them. Big difference. Also, it has nothing to do with the gear that they might get from their paid run, it's that fact that they're now able to run T6 that's the problem. They're no more prepared for T6 than they were T5. Now they're just as stuck on T6, learned nothing, and are no better prepared to progress. Now they're just stuck there waiting until they can buy another content-clear.

[Purrfectstorm]

There are so many things about this post that made me facepalm. It's like you saw an opening to let out some of your frustration towards players you assume to be elitists, built up a self-interpreted argument on their behalf, then shot holes in it to make it look like you were making sense.

Sure, some people get butthurt about others buying clears for those reasons, but it's definitely not the opinion everyone that disagrees with the idea of buying content-clears.

They didn't get "help" clearing T5, they paid a group of better players to clear it for them. Big difference. Also, it has nothing to do with the gear that they might get from their paid run, it's that fact that they're now able to run T6 that's the problem. They're no more prepared for T6 than they were T5. Now they're just as stuck on T6, learned nothing, and are no better prepared to progress. Now they're just stuck there waiting until they can buy another content-clear.

OH, I finally get it. You and the people complaining about this are actually just looking out for those who are buying runs. You don't want others to go into future content unprepared (like being stuck until they can clear with 10 levels of echo doesn't do that lol).

[Raxion]

OH, I finally get it. You and the people complaining about this are actually just looking out for those who are buying runs. You don't want others to go into future content unprepared (like being stuck until they can clear with 10 levels of echo doesn't do that lol).

Echo only stacks on Primals. Echo doesn't guarantee a kill either. Echo "helps" players down content. Paying for clears doesn't help anyone but the seller.

I'd have to say you're just about out of ideas if you're comparing the Echo buff to outright paying for content-clears

[Purrfectstorm]

Echo only stacks on Primals. Echo doesn't guarantee a kill either. Echo "helps" players down content. Paying for clears doesn't help anyone but the seller.

I'd have to say you're just about out of ideas if you're comparing the Echo buff to outright paying for content-clears

1) Echo was a parenthetical note - I'd say you're the one who's out of ideas if you're attacking a parenthetical note rather than my main point (which is that you don't give a damn about other players being stuck on content).

2) Let's see if you can clear content being extremely overgeared with tome gear and when echo is increased to 10 or 15 stacks. Maybe SE will take away Titan's landslide like they took away the bees from AK. The point isn't whether or not you can clear content with echo, the point is that SE fully intends every player to eventually be able to clear every piece of content, one way or another. If echo doesn't cut it, they'll just do something else that will and players still might not be ready for the next piece of content.

[Raxion]

2) Let's see if you can clear content being extremely overgeared with tome gear and when echo is increased to 10 or 15 stacks. Maybe SE will take away Titan's landslide like they took away the bees from AK. The point isn't whether or not you can clear content with echo, the point is that SE fully intends every player to eventually be able to clear every piece of content, one way or another. If echo doesn't cut it, they'll just do something else that will and players still might not be ready for the next piece of content.

Exactly my point! SE is constantly implementing ways to simplify content over time. It's how most MMOs do their progressive content. But instead of trying to learn these fights and progress like a normal players, they pay to skip it, even though they're destined to beat it eventually. How low do you think of yourself to have to pay for runs, knowing that they're easy and getting easier?

[Licus]

Mercs and sales are not going anywhere. Chilllax and blist me and who ever else does sales. Problem solved.

There will always be bad players to ruin pugs and pf groups. Sales or the absents of sales will will hardly impact the number of less skilled players in the end game. The truth is that there will always be someone there to fuck up a pug regardless if he/she has a primal weapon or t5 weapon.

[kidvideo]

It's like you saw an opening to let out some of your frustration towards players you assume to be elitists

Not at all.

Now they're just stuck there waiting until they can buy another content-clear.

Who cares? All of the arguments against mercs is "But they might have gotten gil from RMT", "But they won't learn mechanics", "But they, but they, but they" . No one has said "But it negatively affects MY playing experience for THIS reason..." Because it doesn't. /end.

[Purrfectstorm]

Not at all.



Who cares? All of the arguments against mercs is "But they might have gotten gil from RMT", "But they won't learn mechanics", "But they, but they, but they" . No one has said "But it negatively affects MY playing experience for THIS reason..." Because it doesn't. /end.

Thanks for saying this. That's kind of what I was trying to get across. It reminds me of a lesson I learned in my Conflict Resolution class last summer:

An assertiveness message should be: When you do X it makes me feel Y because of Z. And the effects should be concrete and tangible i.e. when you leave out my tools, it makes me feel frustrated, because they'll get rusty. The tools getting ruined are the concrete, tangible effect. Those arguing against buying runs have so far been unable to even express this in concrete terms.

The experts say that when you try to get people to change their behaviors without there being concrete, tangible effects that two things are true:

1) you are intruding on another person's values space

and

2) your efforts will not be successful.

[Raxion]

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Your question to me would be: "Why do you care, if it doesn't effect YOU personally?"

My questions to you would be: "Why even play the game if your going to pay to skip it, rather than experience it firsthand?"


Truth is, I couldn't care less what people do with their time in game. I, in no way, think that what I'm saying in this thread is going to change people buying content-clears. I just want people to realize that they're only killing the game for themselves by paying for wins.

The ones you're buying the clears from, they're the ones playing and enjoying the game. All you're doing is paying them to play the game while carrying you on their back. Buying a clear is accepting the fact that you're simply not good enough to do it otherwise.

[Zaels]

Your question to me would be: "Why do you care, if it doesn't effect YOU personally?"

My questions to you would be: "Why even play the game if your going to pay to skip it, rather than experience it firsthand?"


Truth is, I couldn't care less what people do with their time in game. I, in no way, think that what I'm saying in this thread is going to change people buying content-clears. I just want people to realize that they're only killing the game for themselves by paying for wins.

The ones you're buying the clears from, they're the ones playing and enjoying the game. All you're doing is paying them to play the game while carrying you on their back. Buying a clear is accepting the fact that you're simply not good enough to do it otherwise.

Agreed. Although there are some cases where a player has no friends or people to play with.

But in their cases that's the problem they need to deal with because endgame content are not soloable and require a group to run. And once they get their carry, unless they start making friends and connections they'll be stuck on the next tough thing and resort to buying a carry if it's available. At that point, I really don't see the point in continuing playing an MMO.