Content sellers and Party Finder

[Purrfectstorm]

Yeah people that don't like or support "Merc" or "Carry Service" are scrubs just cause they voice and opinion that anyone that buys their way through content is too lazy to do it on their own or to anti-social to find and join an FC and put in the time with a group of people to learn the fights.

Yeah basically. Limiting yourself by rules that don't exist makes you a scrub.

[Raxion]

Yeah basically. Limiting yourself by rules that don't exist makes you a scrub.

Do people really still find Sirlin's opinion to be valid?

Nobody is setting rules here. People that pay their way through content, usually have reasons. Some of which do hurt the end game community.

If someone buys a clear due to lack of personal ability, that's not good. If someone buys a clear because they can't find a capable group, but are capable themselves, then it's fine. The problem is, it's usually the ones that lack personal ability that buy the runs. The capable players usually find a way to down content legitimately.

"Scrub" hardly applies, as this game isn't competitive by nature.

[Purrfectstorm]

Do people really still find Sirlin's opinion to be valid?

Nobody is setting rules here. People that pay their way through content, usually have reasons. Some of which do hurt the end game community.

If someone buys a clear due to lack of personal ability, that's not good. If someone buys a clear because they can't find a capable group, but are capable themselves, then it's fine. The problem is, it's usually the ones that lack personal ability that buy the runs. The capable players usually find a way to down content legitimately.

"Scrub" hardly applies, as this game isn't competitive by nature.

How does buying a clear due to lack of personal ability hurt the end game community? Most likely, if a person pays for a clear for one piece of content, they'll need to pay for a clear on even harder content. I'd rather they do this than try to get carried for free and ruin other groups' ability to clear. If they don't continue to pay, they've either gotten better (good thing) or found an LS/FC to help them (good thing). Worst case scenario they're giving end game players who might log in once a week reason to log in more (yet another good thing). I don't understand why you think this is a bad thing.

Also, yes I do find Sirlin's opinion to be valid. I play cards professionally and saw people limiting themselves all the time with the mentality he talks about. Furthermore, I disagree that the game's not competitive. It may not be designed that way but the attitude of the community makes it that way. Else why get agitated about anyone being carried, paying for runs, or anything else?

[Raxion]

How does buying a clear due to lack of personal ability hurt the end game community? Most likely, if a person pays for a clear for one piece of content, they'll need to pay for a clear on even harder content.

Or they'll join and ruin a PF group with their inability to handle the content.

Furthermore, I disagree that the game's not competitive. It may not be designed that way but the attitude of the community makes it that way. Else why get agitated about anyone being carried, paying for runs, or anything else?

Only the top 1% of players can consider themselves in the "competitive tier" of raiding. The only competition there, is competing for server/world first. If you're buying a run from a group, you're not even close to "competing".

[Purrfectstorm]

Or they'll join and ruin a PF group with their inability to handle the content.



Only the top 1% of players can consider themselves in the "competitive tier" of raiding. The only competition there, is competing for server/world first. If you're buying a run from a group, you're not even close to "competing".

Players that are buying runs can't win with you. If they suck and try to get better, they're ruining the PF group but if they buy content clears, they might later decide to try to do it legit and then ruin PF group again. This mentality irritates me because the people that talk this way are clearly motivated by the very competitive nature you're saying only the top 1% possesses - to keep "lesser" players content locked so you can be all "Har har har, I'm better than you!"

Like it or not, this does not make for a good game. If players can't clear content via winning or buying runs, they won't play, and a game of just the hardcore "elite" won't last very long. There's room for both types of players and the players who buy runs aren't affecting you negatively at ALL LOL

2 additional points:

1) This top 1% at the competitive tier that you mention - well how many people do you think would admit they're NOT in this competitive tier?

which brings me to...

2) Competition is about more than ability it's about mentality. Let's say a casual player buys a run and gets some new shiny piece of gear for it. They obviously know full well that they can't really compete with someone who can clear the content without buying it (although as a side tangent this often has more to do with who you know, last I checked instances require a competent party not just one individual). However, buying it allows them to not fall too far behind their competitive peers who may ridicule them for not having a fight unlocked or having obtained a certain piece of gear.

TL;DR Just admit you want players you think are weaker to be stuck behind you so that you can feel superior, don't try to hide behind the argument that buying runs is immoral.

[Raxion]

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It has nothing to do with keeping people behind me, competition, feeding my ego, or whatever you assume it to be. It's about people who are incapable of progressing through the content, paying their way through it. Instead of trying to learn an encounter with an FC, they just pay for the win, and progress on to even more challenging content that they're even less prepared for.

I openly admit that I'm not part of the top 1%. Nor do I want to be. I'm not saying that players should be indefinitely content locked either. I'm saying that players should work to overcome the challenging parts of the game, not just pay 400k and skip it. Why even play at all if you're just going pay for content clears? You're not even playing the game anymore, you're just paying other people to play it for you.

As for your TL;DR, you really shouldn't make such strong assumptions about someone that you know nothing about. You know what they say about assuming.

[Purrfectstorm]

It has nothing to do with keeping people behind me, competition, feeding my ego, or whatever you assume it to be. It's about people who are incapable of progressing through the content, paying their way through it. Instead of trying to learn an encounter with an FC, they just pay for the win, and progress on to even more challenging content that they're even less prepared for.

I openly admit that I'm not part of the top 1%. Nor do I want to be. I'm not saying that players should be indefinitely content locked either. I'm saying that players should work to overcome the challenging parts of the game, not just pay 400k and skip it. Why even play at all if you're just going pay for content clears? You're not even playing the game anymore, you're just paying other people to play it for you.

As for your TL;DR, you really shouldn't make such strong assumptions about someone that you know nothing about. You know what they say about assuming.

Ok, serious question then, why do you care about players paying for content wins then? I get that you don't think they should do it and I get why you don't think they should do it. I just want to know what your personal stake in the discussion is. Fair?