Content sellers and Party Finder

[RumiP]

the idea is distasteful and I would never consider it.

A couple million gil flavors the idea quite well for me, from a selling perspective.

[alhandra]

something something. RMT

this is such a fail argument, you cannot hold the sellers accountable for where the gil comes from in the slightest unless it can be proved that they in fact knew the gil was RMT or were some how participating in the RMT themselves

it would be like punishing wal-mart for selling food to drug dealers because the drug dealers money was illegitimate. wal mart has no way of knowing where your money comes from and its not their responsibility to. just like its not the merc's responsibility to question where its clients gil comes from.

[Purrfectstorm]

I have no problem with mercs selling runs, though I have no plans to partake. I also don't believe that only gilbuyers buy runs - folks have listed plenty of good reasons why an honest player would pay mercs for clears.

That said, it seems obvious to me that paying mercs for clears is likely to be a VERY common reason for purchasing gil. There's not much in this game that is expensive, and SOMEONE is buying gil (otherwise the gilsellers wouldn't be here). Merc services are probably the most pricy thing in the game outside of buying a Free Company house. I won't sully the argument with made-up statistics, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the great majority of folks who buy gil buy it to afford merc clears.

A lot of things are expensive actually. Melding material to all your crafting/gathering jobs for one.

I make 400k a day and EX Primal sellers are charging around 400k. So I can spend 3 hours wiping w/ pugs or 3 hours crafting. What's the difference? It really depends on how you feel about selling runs in general. I would suggest that everyone read David Sirlin's book "Playing to Win" especially the part where he talks about the rules of a scrub.

Basically, the rules of the scrub are made-up rules that are not enforced by the game. Someone that says "I will not buy runs because of x, y, z" but for whom it is clearly more efficient to buy said run is playing by those rules. This is not the same thing as gilselling/gilbuying which are clearly against the rules. Buying/selling content clears however is not.

Also, as some have said, you can be competent and still not find 7 other players who are. It's not as simple as "go join another FC" because maybe you happen to like your FC. PF doesn't really solve the issue. People lie about experience. Putting up 2 strikes parties doesn't help. And you can't just kick the people who are messing up, filter out the weaker players and keep the strong, because usually when the group wipes 2-3 times, it completely breaks up, regardless of if the problem is just on one person's end.

TL;DR I'm fine with buying/selling clears - they don't violate the rules of the game and they allow both casuals and hardcore players to have fun... OH NO! lol

[Sapphic]

Step 1: Make a LInkshell.
Step 2: Start a PF advertising for players to learn.
Step 3: Run content whilst noting names of who are progressing whilst ignoring those who dont.
Step 4: After party falls apart PM those who did good and played well and ask them to join the LS for the purpose of finding more
Step 5: repeat from step 2 until you have enough people to form a full party.

Then organise with in the LS a time where all can join to put in an hour or so a day on the content until it's cleared.

Done!

[Kerowyn]

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NO where in my post did I even suggest the did I ever suggest that the Carry Sellers should be held responsible for taking Gil that might have gain by shady means. What I said in this post was my opinion on why Content Selling for Gil COULD POSSBLY be feeding into the cycle of RMT in the game. If you bothered to read my post in full and not have a knee-jerk reaction I said that it is lame but NOT against ToS right now but is a really cheesey way to progress through the game.

[Kerowyn]

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Yeah people that don't like or support "Merc" or "Carry Service" are scrubs just cause they voice and opinion that anyone that buys their way through content is too lazy to do it on their own or to anti-social to find and join an FC and put in the time with a group of people to learn the fights.

[Yurihyuga]

Well to be honest I am actually some what glad people like them are around not that I can afford to really use there services atm.

The reason I like to know there around is because
people like me, I have studied the fight, practised plenty however can't get the kill no matter how many times I have tried even with party finder raising ilvl and asking for experienced people with the fight. Changing FC soon as also no one is really willing to help.

This is usually down to other people, I know the fight and I know what I am doing.

Using the service in that manner personally to me is fine.

[Shirai]

I see no issue with paying someone to help you clear content. It's like they're mercenaries. So what?

Neither do I to be fair, mercenary is among the most ancient of jobs around and it pays well.
That said though, I don't merc myself nor do I pay for mercing services but I don't mind them in partyfinder.
Shout spam on the other hand does get on my nerves, but tossing them in the Bozo bin for a few hours does help against that.

And on topic.
No you cannot report them, mercing is not in violation of the EULA and neither is advertising for it.

[Sapphic]

NO where in my post did I even suggest the did I ever suggest that the Carry Sellers should be held responsible for taking Gil that might have gain by shady means. What I said in this post was my opinion on why Content Selling for Gil COULD POSSBLY be feeding into the cycle of RMT in the game. If you bothered to read my post in full and not have a knee-jerk reaction I said that it is lame but NOT against ToS right now but is a really cheesey way to progress through the game.

Exactly.

People who are too lazy to learn the fight or make an effort to network. What makes you think those same lazy people will put the effort into obtaining the gil legit to pay for the runs?

[Sapphic]

Neither do I to be fair, mercenary is among the most ancient of jobs around and it pays well.
That said though, I don't merc myself nor do I pay for mercing services but I don't mind them in partyfinder.
Shout spam on the other hand does get on my nerves.

And on topic.
No you cannot report them, mercing is not in violation of the EULA and neither is advertising for it.

But it's not using the Party Finder for its intended purpose either. Neither are crafters using it for advertising either.