Just had a pretty entertaining Pharos run.

[Viridiana]

So he didn't want to be hit, big deal.

He was afraid he'd die to two hits in content he outgears by nearly 40 item levels. Excuse me if I'm not sympathetic.

As I also said in that post only an insecure tank would be raging about a summoner or arcanist having their tank pet out.

Nah, I think it's perfectly reasonable to be somewhat annoyed if the DD, apropos of absolutely nothing, asserts that I'm going to fail at my job. Even if I later fail at said job, that doesn't mean his assertion was justified, it just means it was correct. You can get to a correct answer by all sorts of wrong means.

Have some confidence in yourself as its not difficult to hold hate against a pet.

Not saying it is. I'm saying that having a tanking pet out with no justification (yet) is insulting. You've offered no actual counter argument to this assertion other than to call the tank insecure.

You have brought nothing new to the table that hasn't already been said. Isn't your argument invalid at this point?

Actually, my post was correcting something incorrect you said in your first ever post on these forums. As it followed immediately after your post, clearly no one else had yet corrected you. You're now at post #2, and I'm still correcting you. I really hope this doesn't become a trend.

If I have a Tank pet out because I feel the tank is going to screw up, then he actually does, you can't simultaneously say he's not at fault and I still am. You can't have both.

I never said the tank wasn't at fault. For his mistakes, though, not yours. Your having a tanking pet out based only on some "sense" that the tank was a bad tank is insulting, and you should be held at fault for that. The tank should be held accountable for what sounds like some attrocious tanking. Trust me, there's plenty of fault to go around, here.

A Tank shouldn't be insulted to see a Tank pet out whether it's Topaz at low leveled dungeons, and let's all be honest to ourselves GLDs at this level have trouble holding enmity on groups, or Titan later on.

One, any aggro issues at low levels are either from tanks or DDs needing to learn their roles. Two, if you insisted on keeping Topaz out, I'd be plenty annoyed. Three, this story is about Pharos. There's no reason a tank should still be having issues at Pharos; nor any reason for you to keep out a tank assuming before-hand that they will have issues.

They are expendable and can be used to balance out a fight, if you're going to take a blow to your ego and cry about how the SMN or ACN has his pet out then you're too squishy to play a Tank to start off and you won't handle criticism later on well for bollocks.

You know what else is expendable? A DD who isn't doing his job. Trust me, we aren't hard to replace. I also like how you make this leap from people being insulted/annoyed straight to them crying. But, whatever. . .

[Huntington]

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I literally said I was keeping Titan out, and the tank went out and wiped on the first 5 adds in the dungeon, there was barely even a minute's time elapsed before he screwed up. My fault? Not at all. But Titan being out in that short span prevented everyone else from dying. Maybe if he died 30 minutes on and Titan was out this could be a serious issue for me, but that sense of a wipe came as fast as a car crash when I got in when he ended up dying seconds later.


No matter how well you know your role at any level, when there is such little difference in gear and you've attempted to help a tank hold aggro and they keep losing it anyways, gear isn't the problem. It's literally the fact that two hits of anything regardless of how hard a hit they were will pull off the tank. I've done Tam Tara way too many times to not notice this. MRD doesn't have this problem since Overpower does damage with an enmity generation, Flash does no damage and is a flat increase, meaning it can not do enough very easily.

It's true, you need to have some stones if you're going to tank in this game with how most of the community is. Would I be insulted if a Pet-Class had their tank pet out? No, because I see it as an extra tank on the field helping me out, and if the owner controls it well enough, it's going to help me out because there is no such thing as stealing hate with Pets, they can't Provoke off me. And if it has more than me and it dies, I'll still have more enmity than the rest of the party, and the enemy will then go for me like normal. The pet can take hits while I'm still building threat on what's out. If a Tank is going to have a hissyfit about the pet then he needs to grow a pair, how hard is it to say "Hey SMN, I understand your concerns, the Duty Finder isn't the most hospitable place, and you want to feel like you have some control over things in-case it goes south, so keep your pet out till you feel like you can trust me to keep things away from you and the others, alright?"
It's that simple. It's not rocket science.