Just had a pretty entertaining Pharos run.

[Viridiana]

He felt like the tank that group was not doing so swell from what I've read so he pulled out Titan Egi to save the day. What's the harm in that?

Incorrect. He felt like the tank was going to fail, and felt the need, based on no evidence whatsoever at that point, to leave Titan out from when he was soloing. Which is rather insulting, really.

[Koinonia]

So he didn't want to be hit, big deal. As I also said in that post only an insecure tank would be raging about a summoner or arcanist having their tank pet out. Have some confidence in yourself as its not difficult to hold hate against a pet.

You have brought nothing new to the table that hasn't already been said. Isn't your argument invalid at this point?

[Huntington]

Incorrect. He felt like the tank was going to fail, and felt the need, based on no evidence whatsoever at that point, to leave Titan out from when he was soloing. Which is rather insulting, really.

So then here we have some really situational "this fits me so it's going to work for me" nonsense.
If I have a Tank pet out because I feel the tank is going to screw up, then he actually does, you can't simultaneously say he's not at fault and I still am. You can't have both.
A Tank shouldn't be insulted to see a Tank pet out whether it's Topaz at low leveled dungeons, and let's all be honest to ourselves GLDs at this level have trouble holding enmity on groups, or Titan later on. They are expendable and can be used to balance out a fight, if you're going to take a blow to your ego and cry about how the SMN or ACN has his pet out then you're too squishy to play a Tank to start off and you won't handle criticism later on well for bollocks.

[Urielparadox]

You attitude is in serious question. i'm not talking about the tank. Poppin vengeance at the start of a pull is about the dumbest thing you can do yes.

Going into a dungeon as a dps and saying, i'm not going to use an atk egi because I might take damage is like a black mage saying i'm not going to use flair or fire 2. Instead you say i'm going to use one thats going to fight you for hate and hold the group back.Then when the tank drops defiance to counter your needle ego trip, and boost party dps since you refuse to do your job as a dps. You atk him for that. I'm a blm, and war, and thanks to new content learning my summon and guess what I can take about 5-9 non critical hits from dungeon mobs before dieing, that allows for plenty of time for a tank or healer to do their job. In PS I have never ask or had a tank round up the adds. I did it today on smn for the first time to. I used garuda and guess what it was super easy I would use shockwave to nock back a crawler dot the big guys kill the crawler then kill off any big guy still up. no tank needed. IF you worried because your taking damage. I wouldn't play a video game. I also don't understand how you call yourself a pro summoner but then you said you windburn only garuda on obey? do you not use your pets skills? containge, aerial slash, a well timed shockwave? I mean its called obey for a reason.

[Moirear]

Actually, a WAR off Defiance doesn't inflict as much damage as you'd think. A PLD on Sword Oath is higher in DPS when not tanking. Comparatively, a WAR on Defiance has higher dps on the boss/enemies than a PLD, because many of the enmity moves have higher base damage (Overpower versus Flash, for instance) and the WAR has many Wrath abilities to offset the reduction in damage output from Defiance.

That said, there's something I feel the same about, people whining in random groups about speed. Too many people make too many assumptions about how speedruns supposedly to work, and try to force their vision of a speedrun on others without a shred of communication. It takes skill to salvage these kind of runs before they turn into trainwrecks.

While your instinct to use Titan Egi right away turned out to be good for everybody, I still consider it an insult around any competent tank. While I commend you for your skill, I do not share your lack of faith in your fellow players and have little respect for your attitude.

[Spoekes]

Why i asked for your Swiftcast is:
Swiftcast -> Summon Titan

Could have done this, if the tank was failing.

Just read my prior post again, came a bit harsh, sorry 'bout that.

[scarebearz]

How is it "gimping" his DPS if he's covering a less than desirable tank? He felt like the tank that group was not doing so swell from what I've read so he pulled out Titan Egi to save the day. What's the harm in that? If everybody could do their job/class well then this wouldn't even be an issue but that's not likely ever going to happen. I commend Huntington for staying on top of the game before an inevitable failure.

Oh look your in Huntington's FC, what a surprise...

The issue people have is with this guys attitude, he is obviously a poor player at best and simply a troll at worst.

He did not use a tank pet to "save the day", or because the tank was failing, he used it from the start of the DF.

Using a tank pet over a dps pet is gimping his dps and not something a half decent smn would do, unless it was needed.

[Viridiana]

So he didn't want to be hit, big deal.

He was afraid he'd die to two hits in content he outgears by nearly 40 item levels. Excuse me if I'm not sympathetic.

As I also said in that post only an insecure tank would be raging about a summoner or arcanist having their tank pet out.

Nah, I think it's perfectly reasonable to be somewhat annoyed if the DD, apropos of absolutely nothing, asserts that I'm going to fail at my job. Even if I later fail at said job, that doesn't mean his assertion was justified, it just means it was correct. You can get to a correct answer by all sorts of wrong means.

Have some confidence in yourself as its not difficult to hold hate against a pet.

Not saying it is. I'm saying that having a tanking pet out with no justification (yet) is insulting. You've offered no actual counter argument to this assertion other than to call the tank insecure.

You have brought nothing new to the table that hasn't already been said. Isn't your argument invalid at this point?

Actually, my post was correcting something incorrect you said in your first ever post on these forums. As it followed immediately after your post, clearly no one else had yet corrected you. You're now at post #2, and I'm still correcting you. I really hope this doesn't become a trend.

If I have a Tank pet out because I feel the tank is going to screw up, then he actually does, you can't simultaneously say he's not at fault and I still am. You can't have both.

I never said the tank wasn't at fault. For his mistakes, though, not yours. Your having a tanking pet out based only on some "sense" that the tank was a bad tank is insulting, and you should be held at fault for that. The tank should be held accountable for what sounds like some attrocious tanking. Trust me, there's plenty of fault to go around, here.

A Tank shouldn't be insulted to see a Tank pet out whether it's Topaz at low leveled dungeons, and let's all be honest to ourselves GLDs at this level have trouble holding enmity on groups, or Titan later on.

One, any aggro issues at low levels are either from tanks or DDs needing to learn their roles. Two, if you insisted on keeping Topaz out, I'd be plenty annoyed. Three, this story is about Pharos. There's no reason a tank should still be having issues at Pharos; nor any reason for you to keep out a tank assuming before-hand that they will have issues.

They are expendable and can be used to balance out a fight, if you're going to take a blow to your ego and cry about how the SMN or ACN has his pet out then you're too squishy to play a Tank to start off and you won't handle criticism later on well for bollocks.

You know what else is expendable? A DD who isn't doing his job. Trust me, we aren't hard to replace. I also like how you make this leap from people being insulted/annoyed straight to them crying. But, whatever. . .

[Pooky_Pasha]

stuff

If I get paired with a SMN that insists on using Titan-Egi in any dungeon, I would think that person is 1) New or 2) Incompetent. Considering it's Pharos Sirius (a level 50 dungeon introduced in 2.1-so not new) and previous sensational threads (where you are the valiant hero always saving the day from everybody else always screwing up) you've made, I'm going with 2. Anyway, the WAR was right about low DPS. Any competent DPS will pull hate off Titan-Egi pretty easy. He just doesn't do enough damage, so either DPS have hold back quite a bit or the DPS is really low to begin with.

[Kyana]

If Titan can hold hate against "well equipped" DDs...maybe dps is weak?
I don't play Smn often but I doubt its hate generation is as good as a War/Pld in defiance/shield oath.
Not that I don't like the approach to do things different. It's great if people try out different things.

I think it might work if there's only 1 mob to tank, and if DDs watch their hate.
But if you had to micro manage alot, you'd lose some of your dmg.

That said, having Titan out at the start of a run and even saying you doubt the ability of the tank is a slap in the face. Not the best idea to do that.
Using Titan in add-heavy fights where you don't want the tank to run around might be a good use for it though.
But you always could ask your party members to get close to the tank if they have adds on them, so the tank can grab them without running all over the place. (MNK and DRG will love you for keeping mobs in place)