Just had a pretty entertaining Pharos run.

[Bombast]

You have abused the greatest insult a Summoner has, sir.

Titan-Egi should be saved until after the tank has failed you. If you pull Titan out after, the tank knows its because of him. If you pull it before, he just thinks you're a jerk.

Consider that next time.

[Wintersandman]

He played as Summoner instead of Arcanist. I was expecting Topaz Carbuncle to tank when I opened up the thread.

[stuscott]

But here's the kicker for me. A geared tank, a Warrior nonetheless, not in tank stance, will do great DPS for a Tank class, better than Titan Egi could ever hope to do. So a thought occurred to me, why are they complaining about low DPS, when we could have Titan tank everything, they drop Defiance, and it's like we have an extra DPS on the field? They could be doing great damage without whining about "low DPS", and I actually get to use a pet effectively that gets seldom used in the end.

In essence if I manage him well enough, it's full-proof if the healer can heal appropriately. So why was this such a hard thing to grasp for anyone?

A WAR will tank a whole lot better than Titan-Egi will and Garuda on Obey will more than likely out-DPS a WAR trying to DPS...why not just do the role you queued to do? If you wanted to tank, queue as a tank.

And it's not "fool-proof" as Titan's enmity generation is not as much as a tank class, so while when you solo, you may not steal hate off Titan because you are healing him with Sustain, if you are expecting the healer to heal him, Titan will probably have trouble holding hate as a healer's heals are much stronger than Sustain or even a SMN's weak Physicks.

So we start, I had Titan out because I was doing FATEs, and I had a nagging feeling that I didn't trust the Warrior I had to guard me proficiently when I go all out Summoner DPS, they had 8,800 HP without food it seemed, so clearly well geared and should be able to hold aggro fine. Yet I had a feeling. So I tell them I'm leaving him out until I feel assured that some random add isn't going to rush my way and cleave me when I'm Bane'ing and so on. They all laugh and freak out about a tank pet being out instead of Garuda, I don't much care.

Correct - your attitude here is the biggest offense, in my opinion. If you are as well geared as you claim to be in your post, one or two hits shouldn't be a worry of yours. If you are going "all out Summoner DPS", then you obviously aren't even giving the tank enough time to generate any hate since it takes time to set up DoTs and Bane them. If you are assuming that a WAR can't generate enough hate in more than the 7 seconds it would take for you to do that, considering they can Overpower at least 3 times in that time frame, you would have to be at least 20 item levels above them, which means you could take a hit until the healer can heal you. If you are "leaving Titan out until you feel assured" quite frankly I wouldn't be worried about covering adds off you in this run if I was tanking.

[Huntington]

A WAR will tank a whole lot better than Titan-Egi will and Garuda on Obey will more than likely out-DPS a WAR trying to DPS...why not just do the role you queued to do? If you wanted to tank, queue as a tank.

And it's not "fool-proof" as Titan's enmity generation is not as much as a tank class, so while when you solo, you may not steal hate off Titan because you are healing him with Sustain, if you are expecting the healer to heal him, Titan will probably have trouble holding hate as a healer's heals are much stronger than Sustain or even a SMN's weak Physicks.

The Pet's stats are counted based on what my gear and item level is like, if I'm item level 90, my pets will have stats to reflect that. Thus my Titan-Egi will be more powerful in terms of Vitality and Attack and Garuda would do more damage on her side. How would a Garuda doing only Wind Blade on Obey out-DPS a WAR of equivalent item level? Maybe if you said on Sic that might be true with Rouse and Spur, but a WAR isn't going to be just auto-attacking so how could she be doing more? Out of tank stance Garuda couldn't keep up. I have a WAR when I want to tank, having a Tank pet out to cover for a Tank's inevitable mistake doesn't mean I want to tank.

And that's not really true either if I know how to micro-manage him, he holds hate fine against healers so far when I've used him. If I Rouse him before each encounter and most fights last a minute or so anyways, I'll always have it ready leading into a fight, Spur is there as backup. Enkindle always generates nice enmity on groups too. Use Titan and be good friends with a well-geared Healer before you say that he will have trouble.

Correct - your attitude here is the biggest offense, in my opinion. If you are as well geared as you claim to be in your post, one or two hits shouldn't be a worry of yours. If you are going "all out Summoner DPS", then you obviously aren't even giving the tank enough time to generate any hate since it takes time to set up DoTs and Bane them. If you are assuming that a WAR can't generate enough hate in more than the 7 seconds it would take for you to do that, considering they can Overpower at least 3 times in that time frame, you would have to be at least 20 item levels above them, which means you could take a hit until the healer can heal you. If you are "leaving Titan out until you feel assured" quite frankly I wouldn't be worried about covering adds off you in this run if I was tanking.

>Just because I can take a hit or two does not mean I want to.
My Physical defense as a caster is still very low and an AoE or instant attack can still near kill me if it hits. And by "going all out" I mean standard Summoner rotations that I do for every encounter. I don't make the first hits in fights, and I attack the first target that the Tank does. If he hasn't established enough hate by the time I simply throw up four DoTs and have Garuda usually Contagion before Bane, then that's not an issue on my end. Then Shadow Flare Swiftcast, then Rouse and Spur Enkindle if the group is large enough. As I already said in the OP, the Tank was well-geared, he/she just wasn't the best.

[Huntington]

You have abused the greatest insult a Summoner has, sir.

Titan-Egi should be saved until after the tank has failed you. If you pull Titan out after, the tank knows its because of him. If you pull it before, he just thinks you're a jerk.

Consider that next time.

Good point, will do that next time.

[Huntington]

Maybe I should queue as a dps (blm) and run around using Physick, because I don't trust the pug healer xD

tee hee zomgs so funnys oh wows

[stuscott]

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I had a reply to this nonsense, but having looked at your post history, there's no point in continuing.

[Huntington]

I had a reply to this nonsense, but having looked at your post history, there's no point in continuing.

Excellent comeback, please don't reply again. If the best "reply" you have is to assume everything is nonsense because of something that happened in the past then you're a coward that just wants to feel superior by not bothering to reply with anything that has actual merit. I know how to play my class well by this point so I'd honestly love to see how you could possibly make a refutation to anything I said in that post.

Something that easily relates here that came to mind:
"He didn't actually complain on this one, we just projected that onto the post since he has complained in the past about egi's. While I don't agree with everything he posts or how he writes his opinions/feedback you can't fault him for having an opinion and we shouldn't jump the gun and denounce him for things he hasn't said."
Thanks for jumping the gun because of something I might have said once before, well done, good show trying to represent yourself as a respectable poster. Let's hope you don't automatically assume the worst in regards to what could be said because you're projecting what you've seen before onto another situation.

[stuscott]

Plain and simple, you summed it up by saying you feel the need to cover for a tank's "inevitable" mistake. There's no reasoning with that - I just hope I don't run into you in DF.

[Koinonia]

Well in my honest opinion, I feel that a tank that can't hold hate against a summoners pet, doesn't know their class well at all or isnt paying attention to aggro. Every time I go in a party as a tank I don't feel offended nor insulted that a summoner/arcanist is using their tanking pet...

How is it "gimping" his DPS if he's covering a less than desirable tank? He felt like the tank that group was not doing so swell from what I've read so he pulled out Titan Egi to save the day. What's the harm in that? If everybody could do their job/class well then this wouldn't even be an issue but that's not likely ever going to happen. I commend Huntington for staying on top of the game before an inevitable failure.