Marriage Quest finally on the horizon! Yay!

[HakuroDK]

I think adding a Marriage quest is a very slippery slope. They either have to be inclusive to the LGBT community and suffer the wrath of the Traditional marriage people, or exclusive to the heterosexual folks only and suffer the wrath of GLAAD and other LGBT organizations.

While I think Eorzea is ready for it, I don't think the real world is ready for it yet.

[Naunet]

While I think Eorzea is ready for it, I don't think the real world is ready for it yet.

"They're not ready for it" is a 100% bullshit excuse. The only way to change society's mind is to forcibly alter how a system works, regardless of whether or not the misguided feel "ready". If you wait for when they feel "ready", you're never going to get anywhere.

[Prototype909]

"They're not ready for it" is a 100% bullshit excuse. The only way to change society's mind is to forcibly alter how a system works, regardless of whether or not the misguided feel "ready". If you wait for when they feel "ready", you're never going to get anywhere.

Different cultures reach conclusions at different times. Forcing something doesn't do anything except cause problems and resentment.

[Mcshiggs]

"They're not ready for it" is a 100% bullshit excuse. The only way to change society's mind is to forcibly alter how a system works, regardless of whether or not the misguided feel "ready". If you wait for when they feel "ready", you're never going to get anywhere.

It doesn't matter which side I am on for this, but calling either side of an ethical debate misguided can hardly be a step in the right (or left) direction. Insulting someone's religion or lifestyle just goes to show that maybe you should look more into the issue, and that way you can support your side with facts and not insults.

[Naunet]

It doesn't matter which side I am on for this, but calling either side of an ethical debate misguided can hardly be a step in the right (or left) direction.

Would you have said the same if I'd called anti-interracial marriage people misguided?

It's not calling people names. It's pointing out that their attitude towards other human beings is faulty.

[Mcshiggs]

Would you have said the same if I'd called anti-interracial marriage people misguided?

It's not calling people names. It's pointing out that their attitude towards other human beings is faulty.

I of course would have said the same thing. It is a matter of ethics and morality, and I don't see how insulting someone's ethics can ever be the right way to go. If you want to sway people to your way of thinking, you are much more likely to with showing them what you think is right about what you think, not what you think is wrong about theirs.

[Altijacek]

It doesn't matter which side I am on for this, but calling either side of an ethical debate misguided can hardly be a step in the right (or left) direction. Insulting someone's religion or lifestyle just goes to show that maybe you should look more into the issue, and that way you can support your side with facts and not insults.

As much as I support same sex marriage, I would never call the traditionals misguided. Even as an atheist, I would never call a believer misguided. Good post.

[Demetirus]

As much as I support same sex marriage, I would never call the traditionals misguided. Even as an atheist, I would never call a believer misguided. Good post.

I agree with both of you. I really feel like we're just going to set things back if both sides keep talking like this. Credit to Mcshiggs and Altijacek for being rational about it.

I don't like the lack of options for my LGB (I've left the T off because I'm not sure how this one affects them as much, but I'm more than open to an explanation on that one) friends and I really hope that, if nothing else, it just quietly turns out that there aren't any gender restrictions on the unions.

[JeniLinsky]

(I've left the T off because I'm not sure how this one affects them as much, but I'm more than open to an explanation on that one)

T often gets lumped in with L/G because a straight woman who happens to have been born with a male body, but who still falls in love with male people, is popularly perceived as gay; a straight man who happens to have been born with a female body, who falls in love with female type people is often seen as lesbian.

Unfortunately, it's also true that a gay woman who was born with a male body is often seen as taking the long road home.

In short, LGB is about who one falls in love with; T is about who one is. They are only tangentially related.

[Demetirus]

T often gets lumped in with L/G because a straight woman who happens to have been born with a male body, but who still falls in love with male people, is popularly perceived as gay; a straight man who happens to have been born with a female body, who falls in love with female type people is often seen as lesbian.

Unfortunately, it's also true that a gay woman who was born with a male body is often seen as taking the long road home.

In short, LGB is about who one falls in love with; T is about who one is. They are only tangentially related.

Ah, I guess I've never seen my T friends get classified as being L/G just for being T, even before transitions etc. That's likely where my confusion stems from. This is a whole new level of confusing for me, but thanks so much for the input!