Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Zaels]

You get more myth in upcoming patches 2.28 and 2.3. I hope all you complainers realize that will most likely save you guys much more time than adjusting Atma droprates.

[Maplekoya]

You get more myth in upcoming patches 2.28 and 2.3. I hope all you complainers realize that will most likely save you guys much more time than adjusting Atma droprates.

I only managed to get one atma in twelve hours while my friend managed to get seven in twelve hours. Please do explain how would increasing myth save me more time compared to adjusting atma drop rates as I fail to see how.

[ArcFinix]

You get more myth in upcoming patches 2.28 and 2.3. I hope all you complainers realize that will most likely save you guys much more time than adjusting Atma droprates.

well mr troll.. we won't be able to utilize those myth if we don't even have atma? >.>

[Zaels]

well mr troll.. we won't be able to utilize those myth if we don't even have atma? >.>

You know someone's got a weak point when the only thing they can resort to doing is calling an opposing opinion a "troll". Something that does not benefit you right now but benefits you later still benefits you, unless of course you give up.

Doesn't matter if you have atma or not, it does not change how grindy the book portion is. I also strongly believe a lot of whining people stuck on Atma that are saying "oh the book portion is a lot more fun!" are just simply saying that out of frustration and would most likely have whined about that if the Atma portion never existed and we started at books.

I don't consider myself "lucky", having 14 Atmas myself with over 1400 FATEs completed. The difference between me and you though, is that I actually know what the book portion is like, and you don't. And I've found that farming the 13500 myth to even purchase the books is far more time consuming than farming 12 Atma.




You cannot farm myth quickly by yourself. Assuming perfect circumstances (6-8min bray first two boss runs, a good party is always available to grind with, the runs are perfect and nobody screws up, and minimal time is spent between runs), that's 270 brayflox speedruns at 41 hours assuming each run takes 9 minutes including time spent between runs. Throw in the time spent for the average person waiting on parties and time spent on errors or slow runs and that number goes significantly higher. And if you're a DPS that isn't a Black Mage/Bard? Too bad because most PFs only take those and myth runs take significantly longer without a Black Mage. I'm an i94 BLM capable of making runs take 6 minutes and I still have spent significantly more time farming the Myth than farming Atmas.

One can even argue that the most effective way to farm myth is an even more tedious boring grind because you repeat literally the same thing for hours, while the most effective way to farm Atma has more variety to it.

And don't think the RNG goes away when you get to books either, because you'll end up waiting on FATEs that can take up to 4+ hours to spawn. Some of those FATEs are activated only by talking to NPCs, meaning you have to camp the area they spawn at or you will never see them pop.

But who cares. I can have an opinion backed up by several valid points and be called a troll by whiny forum posters salty about not having Atmas.

[SionDurant]

Zaels,

All you just did was troll with more paragraphs lol.

People are disappointed with this system by wide margin, why bother trying to convince them they're wrong about being upset????

That's WORSE than grinding Atma's imo.

[Zaels]

troll

another salty whiner that dismisses an opposing opinion as a troll. moving on

Keep in mind this is a "feedback" thread. If you can't handle opposing feedback, you're the one that's in the wrong.

And do please tell me how I'm trying to convince people they're wrong about being upset. My point was that the myth increase will likely save more time. Keep in mind I said likely because I am aware there are cases where people are unlucky and maybe spent 3000 FATEs with no Atmas.

[SionDurant]

Zaels,

Be reasonable, you're aggressively posting and calling names. People are just asking for an alternative to Atma, are you on FFXIV patrol duty to attack and dispatch all posters???

NO!!! That means you are a troll by definition.

Case/Point in your last post.

[Zaels]

you're aggressively posting and calling names.

troll

well mr troll..

lolololololololol

[Licus]

Zaels,

Be reasonable, you're aggressively posting and calling names. People are just asking for an alternative to Atma, are you on FFXIV patrol duty to attack and dispatch all posters???

NO!!! That means you are a troll by definition.

Case/Point in your last post.

There is alternatives to atmas and the entire relic quest line. People just can't be bothered to do coil or farm levi ex. If people don't want to do the alternatives, they have to put up with the grind of atmas.

Yeah I read a lot and have been told the BOOK PORTION of the relic quest is actually great fun, but NO ONE has told me Atma is fun and even some Hardcore players I speak to want it nerfed to oblivion.

I'd be happy if they nerfed atma to 1 stone requirement but added double the books TBH lol

I really enjoyed the atma part of the relic and hated the books of the braves. I would have rather farmed 24 atmas in exchange for only doing half of those awful books.

At least with fates for the atma portion, you are out in the open world experiencing variability. The books are a nightmare in contrast. It takes three hours of non-stop farming brayflox with 5 1/2 min runs to get a book and then you get to wait hours for three specific fates to pop up.

[ArcFinix]

another salty whiner that dismisses an opposing opinion as a troll. moving on

Keep in mind this is a "feedback" thread. If you can't handle opposing feedback, you're the one that's in the wrong.

And do please tell me how I'm trying to convince people they're wrong about being upset. My point was that the myth increase will likely save more time. Keep in mind I said likely because I am aware there are cases where people are unlucky and maybe spent 3000 FATEs with no Atmas.

point 1 finger at us and 4 at yourself? you are the one not handling feedback. myth increase save more time for book, but atma have no change? giving us more myth are useless when we don't even clear to animus?