No changes to ATMA?

[SpookyGhost]

What I've gathered from all these Atma topics so far:

1.) Because XI's system was worse, that makes this system okay.
2.) Because XI had something similar, that makes it good.
3.) Massive time sink = challenge. The Atma quest is "better" and "more difficult" because it requires more time.
4.) Atmas/Animus are worthy of being called "legendary" despite so many people having them and most of them just no-life FATE grinded for days to get there.

I really wish more people would make the argument that Atma weapons are for casual players who don't want to actually beat a challenge, but rather want to spend a little time every day doing something easy and work toward a cool weapon. Because that's what it's there for. That's why they think it will take most players a long time to do it, on top of the Animus portion intentionally being a massive time sink (still better than the Atma portion, though).

[Lafiele]

I like how people always use the same argument: "it shouldn't be easy, it's supposed to take time", while RNG is involved.

One person gets all 12 within 12 FATEs.
One person never sees a single one of them.

All within the possibilities of RNG.

P.S. I haven't started with it yet and have no plans for the near future. :P

Again, why are you caring about what another player got? It means nothing to you. Also, I really dislike how people use RNG like there is no statistical backing behind it. There is a set drop rate and in a big enough sample size, everyone has the same drop rate). Yes, someone may have got luckily than you and got 12 within 12 fates in a small sample size which is an EXTREMELY RARE situation. If this person went on to farm his next atma he probably wouldn't be this lucky unless he has goddess of luck behind him. Also we're talking about maybe 1 in a 100000 players who get all 12 atmas in 12 fates (real % is probably lower). Most people are farming just as hard as you are. So stop crying about a super rare lucky player and how you weren't that super rare lucky player. We all curse ourselves for not winning the lotto right?

So don't HATE on RNG but instead ask for a higher % drop rate.

[Luciano_Bozzelli]

I've spent over 100 hours and still only have 4 atmas they need a slight boost to drop rate or a alternative method to obtain them...
Don't get me wrong I like to grind,but repeating low level content on a rng drop sucks

I refuse to believe you spent 100 hours and only got 4 atma's... Maybe 100 hours have gone by since you been trying, but 100 hours of straight fates? Come on bro...

Just because you play for 1 hour, stop and eat for an hour, play 1 hour, then go outside, for an hour. Doesn't mean you've spent 4 hours on one Atma. LOL

[Awrini]

Haha. I'm at 30 hours and still 0 atmas. At this point I'm going to be disappointed when my first one drops and breaks the streak.

[Ddmk]

I refuse to believe you spent 100 hours and only got 4 atma's... Maybe 100 hours have gone by since you been trying, but 100 hours of straight fates? Come on bro...

Just because you play for 1 hour, stop and eat for an hour, play 1 hour, then go outside, for an hour. Doesn't mean you've spent 4 hours on one Atma. LOL

I had two weeks off work farming for 8 hours everyday just on atmas so in actual fact I've spent over 100 hours

[waldo]

I refuse to believe you spent 100 hours and only got 4 atma's... Maybe 100 hours have gone by since you been trying, but 100 hours of straight fates? Come on bro...

Just because you play for 1 hour, stop and eat for an hour, play 1 hour, then go outside, for an hour. Doesn't mean you've spent 4 hours on one Atma. LOL

I can't begin to estimate the actual time I've spent, but using the achievement that counts fates I have done over 1000 for this quest line.
Not sure what that is in hours of gameplay though.

I'm 10/12 on them.

[Fynlar]

I refuse to believe you spent 100 hours and only got 4 atma's... Maybe 100 hours have gone by since you been trying, but 100 hours of straight fates? Come on bro...

It's easy to think that something is simple when you're one of the people the RNG favors

[MrKupo]

This makes me wonder how many people complain to casinos when they see someone next to them win a jackpot. Like "Hey! That guy next to me got really really lucky! I deserve just as much rewards as him or it isn't fair!"

The thing is, it's a game, and it's a gamble.

I won't deny that I'm jealous of those who win, but I am also happy for them and continue to play myself.

P.S. I'm not trying to justify RNG by using a comparison to casinos. But maybe we should compare the customers?

[GerMagic]

It's easy to think that something is simple when you're one of the people the RNG favors

Assuming from my OWN personal experience:

I can generally do 15-20 FATEs per hour without huge problems (porting whenever there's no fate around in this zone, not doing fates that take 12+ minutes which of course you can only do until you hit 10 or 11/12).
So in 100 hours of farming that would be around 1.5k-2.5k Fates depending on speed/luck. Most people assume theres a 2% chance to drop an atma in any given Fate, while your droprate would be something between 0.07% and 0.04% assuming above numbers and assuming you'd drop your first ATMA within the next few fates.

I'm not saying you're lying, but if that is indeed correct then you're probably the unluckiest person in the world :P

I'm at 7/12 now after roughly 400 Fates which is pretty close to the presumed 2%, however, my first ATMA took around 200 FATEs while the last 6 took also around 200 Fates. Most people I've talked to had a streak of unluck at some point and hit 100-300 Fates without a drop, but 2k seems ridiculous even at 1%. So you either have my condolescences for having such incredibly bad luck, or you're just telling a lie here and actually haven't farmed 100 hours but played 100 hours doing a few hundred fates or so :P

[SionDurant]

So it pains me to say this, but I can see where this game is going.

XI

I played it from launch and eventually stopped, just got too old in 2013. But I can tell you with having watched hundreds if not thousands of people that I played with come, try the game until like level 30 and just leave with this face o_____________o SE failed that game.

Mindless Grinding
RNG

These things are draconian, I see people defending them as classic MMO things. But sorry, the majority of the gaming community doesn't want that. We now live in hard times, no matter where you live. I am a developer who works very hard, this leaves me with a grand total of 20 Hours max gaming time.

Spending those 20 hours on total RNG in a mindless grind does not make me happy, as I just did that same very thing writing new scripts for software.

My point is: We don't want to work we want to play and while I am a die hard FF fan, I promise you, XIV in this current frame of mind is absolutely doomed.

You have a small amount of the gaming community trolling the larger amount, this small amount has something akin to 40 - 60 hrs to spend on gaming time so they make silly comments and snide remarks talking about how good people are etc. This is what was left in XI and actually made playing XI that much more painful.

Ask SE's financial department, they cannot afford another XI, especially when everyone's eyes are on SE right now in the wake of some of their promises to return to Japanese RPG content. Yoshi would do well to remember who his majority subscribers are, just like any developer knows to cater to the masses and include quality of life.

PS.

I don't want a Leviathan Weapon. I want to be an FF hero and have my Job Class' weapon. I have said and will maintain the EX and Coil weapons should be SE's concession to the Hard Core people who want RNG/Grinds, and should be considerably more powerful than any incarnation of a Relic that does not evolve off the aforementioned content.