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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    not sure if you didn't know or not but the minority like the atma quest while the majority is against it.

    Prove it. Just because there are not any where near as many threads supporting the atma setup as there are mindlessly whining about it, does not mean that more people hate it then love it. Unless you personally interview every player until there is enough proof to support you're claim, you're wrong. Just as wrong as anyone claiming most people love it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post
    Said noone ever,
    Pretty sure he said it. So you're wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slatervonjager View Post
    Prove it. Just because there are not any where near as many threads supporting the atma setup as there are mindlessly whining about it, does not mean that more people hate it then love it. Unless you personally interview every player until there is enough proof to support you're claim, you're wrong. Just as wrong as anyone claiming most people love it.
    1 the forums.

    2 the servers if everyone loves it why does the majority on the servers hate it? no need to talk to every individual player when most of them are out in the open complaining and saying they hate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    1 the forums.

    2 the servers if everyone loves it why does the majority on the servers hate it? no need to talk to every individual player when most of them are out in the open complaining and saying they hate it.
    The forums is a terrible example and you should feel terrible for trying to argue using that point. People that want to complain are a lot more likely to post about it than people that like it and post about how they like it. The forums is also a rather poor representation of the game's actual playerbase.

    Saying the majority of players hate it is also a rather foolish statement that you cannot prove. Unless you can show me a survey with a good sample size, that statement is nothing more than bs. For all we know, the majority of players are indifferent and don't care either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaels View Post
    The forums is a terrible example and you should feel terrible for trying to argue using that point. People that want to complain are a lot more likely to post about it than people that like it and post about how they like it. The forums is also a rather poor representation of the game's actual playerbase.

    Saying the majority of players hate it is also a rather foolish statement that you cannot prove. Unless you can show me a survey with a good sample size, that statement is nothing more than bs. For all we know, the majority of players are indifferent and don't care either way.
    are they indifferent? are you saying all the players on the game who complain and hate the atma quest are lying to everyone? when both the forums and the population in game match it says something then you have SE themselves saying barely anyone has it and is taking feedback on the quest hmm seems like something to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    are they indifferent? are you saying all the players on the game who complain and hate the atma quest are lying to everyone? when both the forums and the population in game match it says something then you have SE themselves saying barely anyone has it and is taking feedback on the quest hmm seems like something to me.
    Nope. I'm saying players are more likely to speak out when they want to complain, while the satisfied people usually won't say anything.

    The indifferent people that don't care usually won't say anything either.

    The forums and the population ingame do not match. You have nothing more than selective anecdotal "evidence" to prove that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaels View Post
    Nope. I'm saying players are more likely to speak out when they want to complain, while the satisfied people usually won't say anything.

    The indifferent people that don't care usually won't say anything either.

    The forums and the population ingame do not match. You have nothing more than selective anecdotal "evidence" to prove that.
    how do they not match? people in game have been moaning about it, people on forums have been moaning now SE is doing something about it.

    if the majority likes it (because its a 50/50 thing here) why change it? why would SE postpone the next part and get feedback on everything on something players like?
    nothing else in game that players like are changing so why this one?

    in the end it's because the minority are the players who like it, majority is the player who dislike it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    are they indifferent? are you saying all the players on the game who complain and hate the atma quest are lying to everyone? when both the forums and the population in game match it says something then you have SE themselves saying barely anyone has it and is taking feedback on the quest hmm seems like something to me.
    1 the forums are a small percentage of the actual playerbase and 2 how the hell you know what everyone in population thinks of the atma quest. I started it got 4 atmas and then started else the quest or the grind doesn't bother me.

    Sincerely a so called causal player even though I play more then a so called hardcore player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macka View Post
    1 the forums are a small percentage of the actual playerbase and 2 how the hell you know what everyone in population thinks of the atma quest. I started it got 4 atmas and then started else the quest or the grind doesn't bother me.

    Sincerely a so called causal player even though I play more then a so called hardcore player.
    lol seems you don't know how to read, already gave my explanation this is a pointless arguement when the only thing people can say against me is you didn't poll everyone. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    lol seems you don't know how to read, already gave my explanation this is a pointless arguement when the only thing people can say against me is you didn't poll everyone. lol
    All i gathered from you and others who claim to speak for the majority are your pitiful beliefs that since i believe in something, the majority must believe the same as me. Anyone who dares to disagree is wrong and should be ridiculed
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    I for one like it, yes it took me about 5-7 days to get my Atma and some zones took over 9 hours in just one zone, but I look at it on the bright side. I got tons of company seals that I used to buy around 300-400 ventures for my retainers. About to start it again for my second atma weapon just to get it and get more ventures as a bonus. Now one thing I would really like to see and this relic questline is kind of similar but not quite, I want to see a system like the moogle trial weapons from XI, Highly customizable and not really too easy to get, some could be time consuming though, but they were worth it in the end.
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