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    Woah, is this thread where all the trolls hang out or something? Where to begin with this drivel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorel View Post
    Then wear your best. What's stopping you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra View Post
    You can wear your +3 if you wish no one is stopping you.
    Clearly not one of you read the post you're responding to. No sane person is going to turn their +3 bow into materia. You might prefer to convert a 30mil bow over a 50k NQ but that's up to you, it's not something that should be encouraged and most people will agree with that. A game shouldn't encourage you to spend more time using sub-optimal equip than you spend using your best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra View Post
    Also you need to stop thinking that everything is thought out for the ones that are currently level 50. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it starting at level 1. You wear gears, you level up a bit, you change your old gears into materia and you attach it on your new gears. Rinse and repeat. When you reach level 50 and start to get end-game gears, your old gears that you were wearing will be ready to turn into materia to attach to your shiny new gear.

    If you are not willing to sacrifice your current gear, then buy it and stop crying. Or just grind materia on lower-gear when you have some free time. Work for your stuff sometimes, you might feel good about it.
    Presumably you get better materia by converting higher ranked gear. So are you suggesting people should wear that rank 50 gear from rank 1 just so they can convert it to materia as they rank up? We should be discouraging the use of over ranked gear, not encouraging it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TirionCrey View Post
    This!

    And to debunk your argument...the BEST gear would be your Crab Bow+3 PLUS the Materia from another Crab Bow probably...so go figure...

    In the end SE gives you the choice, do you want to be hardcore and grind equip to turn into Materia to add it to your best equip, or do you just want to wear whatever is best for you w/o adding Materia. This is a great system. It encourages the hardcore people, while not putting the "casual" players at a big disadvantage, cause if they wear their equip, it will be convertable into materia as well, just later and not as fast as a hardcore person might get it done. Win:Win Situation!
    All it encourages is yet more botting. Do you really think people are going to sit and hardcore grind gear into materia? Hell no, they're going to set their bots to attack mobs all night while they sleep and wake up with a full set of materia. Players don't like hardcore grinding, that's evident from the number of people that quit with the complaint of levelling being too slow, the number of people botting crafts to 50, the number of people who cancel leves, the number of people who demand more SP from gathering nodes. I repeat; people do not like hardcore grinding. Let's leave that out of the game, it's a relic from the past.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lerris View Post
    That's your own fault for trying to perform two incompatible activities at once. If you're going raiding, you should be focused on the raid, not on producing materia.
    Which is exactly what I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerris View Post
    If you don't want to grind to make materia, don't. Wait for it to show up on the market.
    The logic of "If you don't like the content, don't do it" has gotten this game quite far since September hasn't it? I mean, the playerbase is just huge right now, filled with millions of people who just LOVE the content that exists.

    No, we don't want a hardcore grindfest. Neither do you by the looks of your sig and that rank 31 being your highest class. If you loved grinding as much as you make out surely you'd have at least one class over 40 by now, if not capped. 1-31 takes about two days.
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    Hi Xenor. Since you decided to call me a troll when I simply asked you an honest question, I will once again repeat the question, and emphasize that I'm not being sarcastic. This is an honest question.

    Why can't you wear your best gear during parties/raids/dungeons? The Materia System (as far as I can tell) does nothing to prevent you from doing so.
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    My apologies for asking what may be a stupid question, but if you want to utilize the Materia system, but don't want to wear sub-optimal gear, why don't you just buy the Materia you want and equip it to your optimal gear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulan View Post
    My apologies for asking what may be a stupid question, but if you want to utilize the Materia system, but don't want to wear sub-optimal gear, why don't you just buy the Materia you want and equip it to your optimal gear?
    There is that, and if the raid requires you to wear your best, then use your +3 Bow. Then on your own time, grind on an NQ bow and convert it into Materia.

    One of those things..

    Not. Hard. to. Understand.

    It has also been said that low rank people will not be able to relate anything to higher rank materia conversion. Wearing high rank gear at a lower level is even further discouraged with this materia system, as no progress in the conversion will be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorel View Post
    Hi Xenor. Since you decided to call me a troll when I simply asked you an honest question, I will once again repeat the question, and emphasize that I'm not being sarcastic. This is an honest question.

    Why can't you wear your best gear during parties/raids/dungeons? The Materia System (as far as I can tell) does nothing to prevent you from doing so.
    I didn't answer your question because you didn't read my post. If you did read it then you'd not be asking such a question. You WILL be wearing your best gear in raid content because you won't be invited if you're a gimp. The system still encourages you to be a gimp in every scenario where wearing your best equipment isn't important however (all current content for example). That's what I don't like.
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    I don't understand your concern. Nobody is forcing you (mostly a good thing in MMOs) and in your non-raiding free time you can still turn your gear into materia. See? Everyone's happy. And with a nice party of friends, I'm sure nobody would kill you if you'd come with a NQ bow instead of a shiny +12 one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuru View Post
    There is that, and if the raid requires you to wear your best, then use your +3 Bow. Then on your own time, grind on an NQ bow and convert it into Materia.

    One of those things..

    Not. Hard. to. Understand.

    It has also been said that low rank people will not be able to relate anything to higher rank materia conversion. Wearing high rank gear at a lower level is even further discouraged with this materia system, as no progress in the conversion will be made.
    I'm just gonna respond to this one. . .

    Okay, total list of options:

    1) Wear +3 gear at all times, then turn it into materia. I shouldn't have to explain why this isn't gonna happen, and I think we even all agree on this one.
    2) Wear +3 gear only during progression content; wear NQ otherwise to turn into materia. This still encourages wearing sub-optimal gear, even if it is on "content that doesn't matter." Suboptimal is suboptimal is suboptimal. Why would you encourage it?
    3) Wear +3 gear at all times; buy your materia. I'm sure we can also all agree that materia is going to start out horribly over-priced. So, yeah, not happening any time soon. Besides, it's not that we don't want to make our own materia, it's that we don't see why being sub-optimal should *ever* be encouraged.
    4) Pretend that materia doesn't exist. Wear +3 gear at all times.
    5) Pretend that materia doesn't exist. Wear NQ gear at all times.

    Ignoring that 4 and 5 are just my being sarcastic, that leaves options 1-3. Option 1 never involves going sub-optimal, but it also dodges part of the intent behind the system, i.e. increasing demand for NQ gear. Option 2 addresses that by equiping NQ gear, but that means going sub-optimal. Yes, it means going sub-optimal on my own time, but that's still not something I should have to do. For all that everyone complains about leves rewarding failure, y'all sure seem quick to be rewarding sub-optimal play. . .
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    Just because the FFXIV gives you an option to do something doesn't necessarily mean that it encourages a player to take that option.

    FFXIV currently allows the player the option of ranking up on all Disciple of Hand classes and no others. Going this option allows the player to be able to create and/or repair virtually every item in the game. The downside is that player will never participate effectively in combat. It's the players choice whether or not to actually take that option.

    I personally don't take that option ... for various reasons which are all my own. It is my right to make that choice.

    The Materia System will give players the option of using equipment that can then be turn into materia to enhance other equipment. The downside is that the equipment that is turned into materia is lost. It's the player's choice whether or not to actually take that option.

    You don't have to do this, though. And if you don't want to do this, then don't do it. You don't have to participate in the FFXIV lowbie-equipment recycle program if you don't want to.

    Keep your HQ +3. Fight awesome battles with it. You have that right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenor View Post
    (all current content for example)
    Simply applying it to the game as it is now is silly. There isn't any real endgame content. Pump your brakes and see what else they have in store for us. You're looking through a keyhole atm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xenor View Post
    The system still encourages you to be a gimp in every scenario where wearing your best equipment isn't important
    Also, in scenarios where wearing your best equipment isn't important, why do you feel it's important? This hurts my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorel View Post
    Just because the FFXIV gives you an option to do something doesn't necessarily mean that it encourages a player to take that option.

    FFXIV currently allows the player the option of ranking up on all Disciple of Hand classes and no others. Going this option allows the player to be able to create and/or repair virtually every item in the game. The downside is that player will never participate effectively in combat. It's the players choice whether or not to actually take that option.

    I personally don't take that option ... for various reasons which are all my own. It is my right to make that choice.

    The Materia System will give players the option of using equipment that can then be turn into materia to enhance other equipment. The downside is that the equipment that is turned into materia is lost. It's the player's choice whether or not to actually take that option.

    You don't have to do this, though. And if you don't want to do this, then don't do it. You don't have to participate in the FFXIV lowbie-equipment recycle program if you don't want to.

    Keep your HQ +3. Fight awesome battles with it. You have that right.
    Just because FFXIV gives you an option to do something doesn't necessarily mean that it encourages a player to take that option.

    FFXIV currently allows the player the option of killing the Peiste at the end of Dunes, or of killing the Dreamtoad at the end of Necrologos. Taking this option allows the player to be able to receive gil rewards. The downside is that the player might not have the same leve next leve group.

    I personally don't take that option, for reasons which are my own.

    The leve-failing system gives players the option of always having good leves to link with their friends. The downside is that they don't get completion gil as often. It's the player's choice whether or not to actually take that option.

    You don't have to do this, though. You don't have to level up efficiently if you don't want to.

    Go ahead. Pop that last light. Have an awesome battle with that Peiste. You have that right. . .
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