The reason Summoner needs revamp threads keep popping up

[Ardan]

Then is pathetic Summoner is percieved as such a great job then why do most players think that the Summoner has the lowest dps why do most end game raids don't have a slot for the Summoner instead they consist of 2 Black Mages, Bard and Monk/Dragoon.

Probably for the same reason you think it's bad? Bad SMNs will lead to bad impressions. In SBCoB I pretty much parse equal to or past our MNK as SMN. This is my ignorance shining through, but if I remember correctly there are some individuals who parse do not include the SMNs pet when it comes to average DPS throughout a fight. It's either they forget to or they don't think it counts, which, as a reason is stupid.

As for mostly seeing BLMs in endgame raids, that can hardly be used as proof as for why SMN is bad.

[Akiza]

Probably for the same reason you think it's bad? Bad SMNs will lead to bad impressions. In SBCoB I pretty much parse equal to or past our MNK as SMN. This is my ignorance shining through, but if I remember correctly there are some individuals who parse do not include the SMNs pet when it comes to average DPS throughout a fight. It's either they forget to or they don't think it counts, which, as a reason is stupid.

As for mostly seeing BLMs in endgame raids, that can hardly be used as proof as for why SMN is bad.

People were saying same thing about Warriors before Square had to change how their skill work. It's so bad that they only take Summoner's for T5 only if thy are using the pet method for taking fireballs.

[Akiza]

Most players agree that Square backed themselves in a corner with Summoner when they release new caster classes. The Red Mage already steps on the Summoner because Red Mages is a buff/enfeebling role.

[Akiza]

Common definition of the Summoner
Summoners (召喚士 Shōkanshi?) use Summoning Magic, which calls on powerful entities known as "Call Beasts" (Final Fantasy IV), "Espers" (Final Fantasy VI and Final Fantasy XII), "Guardian Force" (Final Fantasy VIII), "Eidolons" (Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy XIII, and the DS version of Final Fantasy IV), "Aeons" (Final Fantasy X), "Avatars" (Final Fantasy XI), "Primals" ("Final Fantasy XIV"), or simply "Summon Monsters" (most other games in the series). These entities attack enemies, protect the party, or render other forms of aid. Summoners often use commands such as "Summon," but in the original translation of Final Fantasy IV, the command was instead known as "Call". As a magic-using class, summoners are typically shown to be physically frail as a trade-off for high magical potency, and can traditionally equip only light armaments such as clothing and robes.

[Wolf_Shay]

Akiza, please, do everyone a favor and stop using the words "most Summoners/players". You don't back up your claims and you spew nonsensical diatribe all over the walls like a sprinkler loaded with thinned honey. We get it, you're not happy. We get it, you're just complaining to complain and not engage in constructive dialogue. We get it, two plus two equals "Summoners suck SE, make me happy". Now let's return to our regularly scheduled programming

[Madoka]

Then is pathetic Summoner is percieved as such a great job then why do most players think that the Summoner has the lowest dps why do most end game raids don't have a slot for the Summoner instead they consist of 2 Black Mages, Bard and Monk/Dragoon.

Because your server is full of idiots. On mine people prefer a SMN over a BLM everywhere but T4. Even then good parties know a SMN can aoe just as well, you just won't burn through spiders as fast.

[Akiza]

Akiza, please, do everyone a favor and stop using the words "most Summoners/players". You don't back up your claims and you spew nonsensical diatribe all over the walls like a sprinkler loaded with thinned honey. We get it, you're not happy. We get it, you're just complaining to complain and not engage in constructive dialogue. We get it, two plus two equals "Summoners suck SE, make me happy". Now let's return to our regularly scheduled programming

I copied and pasted the Summoner character job description from wikia because the one from Final Fantasy Encyclopedia said Summoner's just summon giant monsters which will work as a ultimate summon but not as a permanent pet. Summoner's neither Summon Giant Monsters or use Summoning Magic right now they only use dots and for lore reasons Summoner's lots their power. This is equivalent to saying for lore reasons the Black Mage lost all their destructive magic and can only cause negative status effects and cast ruin.

[Exstal]

Then is pathetic Summoner is percieved as such a great job then why do most players think that the Summoner has the lowest dps why do most end game raids don't have a slot for the Summoner instead they consist of 2 Black Mages, Bard and Monk/Dragoon.

Our Black Mage rerolled TO Summoner because the damage was significantly higher.

Akiza is just a troll, this quote is irrefutable proof of it.

[Ricdeau]

Most players agree that Square backed themselves in a corner with Summoner when they release new caster classes. The Red Mage already steps on the Summoner because Red Mages is a buff/enfeebling role.

Man, this again. Where is your evidence that most players think one way or another? I want to see some kind of proof. Most people this, most people that, and not a single stitch of anything to substantiate the claims. Seriously, if you ever want to anyone to take you seriously you need to either stop making claims on other people's behalf that you can't back and be realistic, or provide some damn proof.

[Eardstapa]

Think it is time to petition someone's right to post threads, and post in general be revoked...