The reason Summoner needs revamp threads keep popping up

[KokopokiRirinima]

Everyone else may have already understood it but I feel like I've just cracked a code after following this bizarre thread.

Akiza, you're talking about changing the Summoner class from a class that summons permanent, less impressive versions of the primals to a class that summons temporary primals (I'd wager more like their proper form just not as big) that will deliver their signature attacks then disappear... like in the majority of previous Final Fantasys?

Am I right or at least in the ball park?

[Bombast]

Everyone else may have already understood it but I feel like I've just cracked a code after following this bizarre thread.

Akiza, you're talking about changing the Summoner class from a class that summons permanent, less impressive versions of the primals to a class that summons temporary primals (I'd wager more like their proper form just not as big) that will deliver their signature attacks then disappear... like in the majority of previous Final Fantasys?

Am I right or at least in the ball park?

He wants to be able to summon big primals to do big attacks once and leave (FFIV,FFVI, FFVII, and so on) AND is able to summon 'medium' primals (Primals, shrunk a smidge) that you can control directly and do awesome stuff with (FFXI).

He essential want to have his cake, eat it, take your cake, eat it, then win the lottery and buy a cake factory.

Of course, he doesn't say as much in a single post, because he knows it sounds absurd. But if you add what he says in multiple post together, that's basically it.

[Akiza]

He wants to be able to summon big primals to do big attacks once and leave (FFIV,FFVI, FFVII, and so on) AND is able to summon 'medium' primals (Primals, shrunk a smidge) that you can control directly and do awesome stuff with (FFXI).

He essential want to have his cake, eat it, take your cake, eat it, then win the lottery and buy a cake factory.

Of course, he doesn't say as much in a single post, because he knows it sounds absurd. But if you add what he says in multiple post together, that's basically it.

I want a pet buff that commands the Egi to do an elemental aoe attack that leaves a 20s dot.
I want a pet buff that temporarily transforms the Egi into it's Parent Primal and cause weather affects so everyone know I summoned it.
That's reasonable.

[KokopokiRirinima]

and cause weather affects so everyone know I summoned it.
That's reasonable.

... Are you trolling? I know this isn't productive in any way shape or form but you've got to be trolling.

[Seaku]

I want a pet buff that commands the Egi to do an elemental aoe attack that leaves a 20s dot.
I want a pet buff that temporarily transforms the Egi into it's Parent Primal and cause weather affects so everyone know I summoned it.
That's reasonable.

Okay first sentence, Enkindle exists and does what you want already. Ifirt has it.
Second setence, ...er...what? I get you want the summons to look more like FFXI, but even in FFXI the summons never did that. Why the special snowflake syndrome here? Fine how bout this, as a warrior tank I want a berserk mode that when I activate every single person in the zone can here me shout and the moon goes blood red. That is kind of what you are asking for and sounds really ridiculous.

[Akiza]

Okay first sentence, Enkindle exists and does what you want already. Ifirt has it.
Second setence, ...er...what? I get you want the summons to look more like FFXI, but even in FFXI the summons never did that. Why the special snowflake syndrome here? Fine how bout this, as a warrior tank I want a berserk mode that when I activate every single person in the zone can here me shout and the moon goes blood red. That is kind of what you are asking for and sounds really ridiculous.

It would be cool if each job had an ultimate ability that caused weather and environmental affects like the Warrior going into berserk mode and blood red moon appeared during a battle.

[Bombast]

I want a pet buff that commands the Egi to do an elemental aoe attack that leaves a 20s dot.
I want a pet buff that temporarily transforms the Egi into it's Parent Primal and cause weather affects so everyone know I summoned it.
That's reasonable.

Are you testing me, Satan?

[Wolf_Shay]

Are you testing me, Satan?

It's pronounced "Satine"

[Parodine]

Conceptually SMN isn't quite what I want it to be, but I don't think anyone denies it does its DPS job well. And being able to swiftcast resurrection is arguably the next best support skill for a DPS aside from Mage's Ballad.

My main hope with SMN isn't changing the mechanics (since that's a lost cause) but making it more visually appealing either with cooler Egi pets or allowing mods with the game eventually that the community can help to modify for vanity purposes. But the whole 'avatar-sized-egis would cause too much lag!' is bs. Most of the content in this game is 8 man. You wouldn't have more than 2 SMNs in a party reasonably. No one wants primal-sized Egi's, sheesh. Aside from maybe for the Limit Break...

[Ricdeau]

I think it's time we just let this one go. It's a lost cause, and getting more bizarre by the moment. It's obvious that none of this can be taken seriously now (if that wasn't apparent before).