The reason Summoner needs revamp threads keep popping up

[Ardan]

If SMN is that much of a disappointment to you, why even bother playing the job at all if it irks you so much. If it's as bad as you say, (which it isn't by any stretch of the imagination, bar yours) why not join the BLM crew like the rest of your FC mates did. Seems to make a lot more sense than just cry tsunamis of tears all over the forums.

[Razard]

If SMN is that much of a disappointment to you, why even bother playing the job at all if it irks you so much. If it's as bad as you say, (which it isn't by any stretch of the imagination, bar yours) why not join the BLM crew like the rest of your FC mates did. Seems to make a lot more sense than just cry tsunamis of tears all over the forums.

Because leveling a different class is haaaarrrd?O_o? Akiza would much rather S-E change the entire class to what he wants to validate the his choice to go SMN.

[Wolf_Shay]

I'm officially upset with myself for opening another thread in which Akiza and Jediman have been bitching about what Summoning really is, and what they would do which is better than what SE would do. I love my Summoner, I really do. Am I playing optimally? Probably not. But it's a thematic, gorgeously built class that makes me glad I started as an Arcanist, and the lore surrounding Primals and the ties to Allagan summoning just make me squee internall...much like I would outwardly if Nathan Fillion walked up and asked for the time.

[Akiza]

Then is pathetic Summoner is percieved as such a great job then why do most players think that the Summoner has the lowest dps why do most end game raids don't have a slot for the Summoner instead they consist of 2 Black Mages, Bard and Monk/Dragoon.

[Ardan]

Then is pathetic Summoner is percieved as such a great job then why do most players think that the Summoner has the lowest dps why do most end game raids don't have a slot for the Summoner instead they consist of 2 Black Mages, Bard and Monk/Dragoon.

Probably for the same reason you think it's bad? Bad SMNs will lead to bad impressions. In SBCoB I pretty much parse equal to or past our MNK as SMN. This is my ignorance shining through, but if I remember correctly there are some individuals who parse do not include the SMNs pet when it comes to average DPS throughout a fight. It's either they forget to or they don't think it counts, which, as a reason is stupid.

As for mostly seeing BLMs in endgame raids, that can hardly be used as proof as for why SMN is bad.

[Akiza]

Probably for the same reason you think it's bad? Bad SMNs will lead to bad impressions. In SBCoB I pretty much parse equal to or past our MNK as SMN. This is my ignorance shining through, but if I remember correctly there are some individuals who parse do not include the SMNs pet when it comes to average DPS throughout a fight. It's either they forget to or they don't think it counts, which, as a reason is stupid.

As for mostly seeing BLMs in endgame raids, that can hardly be used as proof as for why SMN is bad.

People were saying same thing about Warriors before Square had to change how their skill work. It's so bad that they only take Summoner's for T5 only if thy are using the pet method for taking fireballs.

[Akiza]

Most players agree that Square backed themselves in a corner with Summoner when they release new caster classes. The Red Mage already steps on the Summoner because Red Mages is a buff/enfeebling role.

[Ricdeau]

Most players agree that Square backed themselves in a corner with Summoner when they release new caster classes. The Red Mage already steps on the Summoner because Red Mages is a buff/enfeebling role.

Man, this again. Where is your evidence that most players think one way or another? I want to see some kind of proof. Most people this, most people that, and not a single stitch of anything to substantiate the claims. Seriously, if you ever want to anyone to take you seriously you need to either stop making claims on other people's behalf that you can't back and be realistic, or provide some damn proof.

[Akiza]

Man, this again. Where is your evidence that most players think one way or another? I want to see some kind of proof. Most people this, most people that, and not a single stitch of anything to substantiate the claims. Seriously, if you ever want to anyone to take you seriously you need to either stop making claims on other people's behalf that you can't back and be realistic, or provide some damn proof.

Square hasn't released and stats or did an official poll on the Summoner so even you can't tell how many people think the Summoner is fine the way it is or that it needs to be improved upon and no one as of yet has commented on the Wikia and Final Fantasy Encyclopedia description of the Summoner yet they just resorted to shooting down what I say and calling me a troll.

[Akiza]

Common definition of the Summoner
Summoners (召喚士 Shōkanshi?) use Summoning Magic, which calls on powerful entities known as "Call Beasts" (Final Fantasy IV), "Espers" (Final Fantasy VI and Final Fantasy XII), "Guardian Force" (Final Fantasy VIII), "Eidolons" (Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy XIII, and the DS version of Final Fantasy IV), "Aeons" (Final Fantasy X), "Avatars" (Final Fantasy XI), "Primals" ("Final Fantasy XIV"), or simply "Summon Monsters" (most other games in the series). These entities attack enemies, protect the party, or render other forms of aid. Summoners often use commands such as "Summon," but in the original translation of Final Fantasy IV, the command was instead known as "Call". As a magic-using class, summoners are typically shown to be physically frail as a trade-off for high magical potency, and can traditionally equip only light armaments such as clothing and robes.