Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[SongJoohee]

Maybe you should just take the hint that they think it's fine and get on with it. I said in another post you have two options do it or don't when the next step comes this one will probably be made easier so you can do it then.

They may think it's fine, but not even acknowledging your player base when the posts about the quests have gotten so large is not fine.

[Ispen]

When the masses are in an uproar, No it's not fine even though you personally think it's fine, it won't be fine if people leave because of this. They don't want that neither do I.

Never said it was fine couldn't care less to be honest i just got on with it atmas grinding is nothing compared to older mmos. The forums aren't the masses that's the issue they only represent a small portion of the population, fair enough maybe they should say something but whatever they say lets be honest no one is going to like unless it's they will be easier to obtain.

[Starlord]

Never said it was fine couldn't care less to be honest i just got on with it atmas grinding is nothing compared to older mmos. The forums aren't the masses that's the issue they only represent a small portion of the population, fair enough maybe they should say something but whatever they say lets be honest no one is going to like unless it's they will be easier to obtain.

Forums aren't the masses but the only source of statistics atm.

[mekia]

Anybody remember this:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ca...elic_Weapons#2

hated and loved it lol. The Atma "grind" was over in less than 3-4h's and now to the books which are a joke aswell. Only Myth farming takes time rest is just extremely easy. People cried they wanted something like XI and they got it and now cry that it is like XI lol <3.

[dejavutwo]

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To be fair, its probably a different group of people complaining about Atma. The reason I played 2.0-2.1 was because it was so casual friendly. I rarely posted on the forums prior to 2.2, because I enjoyed the game much much more than I do right now. I really liked how little grind was required and that was the aspect of the game that I used to recommend it to friends and coworkers.

The reason this is such a big and polarizing issue, is that with the game's relaunch, they made a strong appeal to the more casual players like myself, then pulled out the rug from under us with a brick wall of transparent and boring grind at every turn.

Atma has been the tipping point for me, after which more and more of the 2.2 things are starting to turn me off of the game entirely.

[Synra]

hated and loved it lol. The Atma "grind" was over in less than 3-4h's and now to the books which are a joke aswell. Only Myth farming takes time rest is just extremely easy. People cried they wanted something like XI and they got it and now cry that it is like XI lol <3.

I don't mind a heavy and long term grind for something like this, IF the game meets the following conditions:

1. The game is designed for me to focus on just one single class at a time, long term.

2. The ultimate reward for this long and involved quest is beyond any shadow of a doubt a must have item. The best weapon available to me, with nothing comparable.

3. This type of long involved grindy gameplay is the norm for the game.


FFXIV fails on all of those points. On point #1, this game is designed for people to level multiple classes and be able to swap between them at 50 as needed. This is what the devs expect us to do. I personally have 6 relics, and I will be getting a 7th very soon. Making this relic upgrade quest this long and frustrating just for a single weapon is unreasonable for this mutli-class game. On point #2, There are way too many similarly good weapons available from other sources, and there isn't that great of a difference in stats. Finally on point #3, 99.9% of this game so far has been quick, easy and casual friendly rewards. They can't just shoe-horn a mega grind into a casual game like this one.

To be more specific, here is what I need this weapon to be, based on the current game. After finishing the Atma portion of the quest, it's a i100 weapon. An actual i100 weapon. After completing all 9 books, it's an i120 weapon. The next best weapon in the game (Turn 9 drop?) is i105. This is where weapons need to be for me to say "yea, I NEED to do this grind and get this weapon".

[ArcFinix]

How is this different from people that cleared Turn 5 for over 2 months before they saw a white mage weapon drop? At least with fates if you put in the time, you will eventually get it, with coil you were allowed one chance per week for your loot, there are still a couple pieces from turn 1 my group still hasn't seen drop, we weren't in the first groups to clear it, but we have been clearing it for a few months, and still have yet to see healer gloves or the dragoon chest drop. With fates too, the more you have to, it's not like you are getting nothing, you get a little bit of gil and a decent amount of seals, but with the amount people are saying they are having to run, that adds up to a healthy amount of sweet sweet gils and pretty much unlimited ventures or crafting materials you can sell.

The different here is, u clear coil for top content, u get a 100% drop for your group. it is group effort and every week its grantee gearing up for the group.

This is individual effort, you are not doing top content, u get gil and seal for repair and venture? or u want seal for more gil? all of which can be produce at a faster rate if u craft and play the market. (which is more fun then.. mindlessly grinding fate since u need to plan and think abit)
You do not see progression and you do expect anything as everything and nothing can happen.

Now shorten the time.. given coil can be farmed now.. i can all loot drop from T1 to T4.. faster then i get 4 atma. if you really want to compare.. compare with farm-able item.. not one with a lock out and one is just pure RNG.

[ArcFinix]

Maybe you should just take the hint that they think it's fine and get on with it. I said in another post you have two options do it or don't when the next step comes this one will probably be made easier so you can do it then.

And if they don't nerf? then u will notice the problem? by then will you make the same post and complain?

Oh i am stuck at atma but the relic now become the best weapon and BIS, please increase drop rate?

and making easier like what? 100% drop? 50% drop? then u will see another thread complaining the nerf just like COB having echo with ppl who i don't understand why complain when u are given free gear from old content so u can do new content..

[ispano]

And if they don't nerf? then u will notice the problem? by then will you make the same post and complain?

Oh i am stuck at atma but the relic now become the best weapon and BIS, please increase drop rate?

and making easier like what? 100% drop? 50% drop? then u will see another thread complaining the nerf just like COB having echo with ppl who i don't understand why complain when u are given free gear from old content so u can do new content..

Except they will likely never be the best weapon. And he's also likely correct, they will make previous steps "easier" at some point.

[Blackcanary]

I like grinding but this has made me hate fates. Fates sucked to begin with but now they suck even more. I love grinding when it comes to getting exp. Why cause I'm still getting something one i kill fates that will help me progress. Killing Fates for atma is not grinding lets get this straight its more like farming than grinding.