Loot Restrictions On i90 and Above Gear/Weapons

[Kiroh]

My mistake! However it really doesn't matter since right under this statement you again make arguments that defend someone rolling on an item to turn it into seals or discard it. That is of course why I always have an issue when I see these arguments on the forum since it defends bad behavior in an indirect way.

Hold on a second, if you're going to pull this "the game calls it greed so you literally cannot be expected to think about other people's benefit" blinders on hyper literal argument, then why is the chat box active during the roll? I mean if the developers didn't intend for me to talk about a greed roll and attempt to create the best result shouldn't I be muted while gear is being rolled on? I mean honestly, come off it, Need and Greed are just words, throwing out the words like they're some moral guidepost on is just silly. The idea that things can't evolve and change organically because of some choice of verbage is silly. I have no idea why so often so many people have such an issue with the suggestion that it might be better if people were less grabby and a little more contemplative about loot.

The game is designed to allow people to greed on an item, regardless of any other factors aside from it being in the loot pool. There is absolutely nothing wrong with setting up runs where you lock gear, there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if you can lock a piece before it actually drops. What is selfish is assuming everyone else wants to give up that gear for you when you have mentioned NOTHING about it in the last 30-60 minutes before it actually drops. If you can't be bothered to even think about it, why would anyone in their right mind assume you actually need it much less any more than they want it?

[Worm]

Uh I've made multiple posts where I was saying mentioning what you want is an important aspect. I don't think I even made a post in regards to the OP where I didn't mention communication and how some players silently seethe at loot results and rush to the forums without saying anything in game. Like I said in my previous post my issue is arguments that essentially defend all kinds of behavior. Do you believe there are hypothetical loot improprieties within the duty finder system? Then we basically agree. When you say there's nothing courteous about passing I honestly have no idea what you're thinking, other than maybe you're making the same kind of proto-nihilistic morally relative garbage arguments that always seem to crop up when someone suggests there actually may be times when you shouldn't jam Need or Greed on the sole merit that they have lit up.

[Farah]

Ok seriously. If you have the alt class to 50, just use that class in the instance and roll need. Why is that so hard? Otherwise, yeah, you better settle for greed in duty finder parties.

Now let's say you are running coil for some monk gear, but the party needs a healer. So you go on healer instead. You then establish a loot agreement with the group you are going in with that you get the monk gear. That's fine. No one sees any problem with that. Someone else taking the loot after the party has established a loot agreement is actually reportable.

However if you just go on healer for shorter duty finder queues, then you are forfeiting the item for a shorter wait time.

I pass on stuff I don't need at the moment. I plan on lvling everything to 50. Yeah, I haven't even unlocked paladin. I don't roll on paladin stuff. That doesn't mean i can't roll on it. I have the intent on lvling it in the future, and I ran and completed the dungeon just like everyone else in the party. The only person who has the right to get it over me is the person running the dungeon as a paladin. That's fair. In some other games, you don't even get that benefit and everyone is on equal footing for it.

People have their reasons for rolling greed. I have no right to judge other peoples decisions. Yah, if i really wanted the item i might be a bit upset if someone else gets it. I'm not going to complain that "oh i have that class at lvl 50 i deserve it." No, just because i have a class at 50 does not mean I'm entitled to that item if I run the instance on another class. You know what I do? I run the instance again. If I really want the item but don't want to run on the class, I make a party of my own and establish a loot agreement.

Just communicate with people in party. Everyone is not a jerk. Most people just say sure and agree to let you have it. They aren't fretting about having the item. I shouldn't have to look up your character information for lvl 50s and assume you want an item for a class you aren't playing as at the moment. You also shouldn't look up my character information and assume I'll never use the gear. Stop assuming things and making up your own rules for random duty finder runs.

[Ooshima]

Long story short.

If you are in need of anything, make a PF party for it. set the rules. you can level limit the amount of people aiming for one item, which I see a lot of JP parties doing it. Most of such parties limit it to 2, and you can only aim for one item. Example, I join as a BRD but I wanted PLD gear, so PLD gear is all I can greed here, and the leader may restrict to only 1 or 2 persons that aims for PLD gear.

Done it a lot of times, it works.

Join a good farming LS or something. TBH 99% of the players around aren't jerks. Just ask nicely instead of "oh I have that job at 50 and yours is not 50 so f*** off the loot should be mine".

If anyone tells me that I'll just greed/need it and throw it away.

[SummonerSenah]

Yah, if i really wanted the item i might be a bit upset if someone else gets it. I'm not going to complain that "oh i have that class at lvl 50 i deserve it." No, just because i have a class at 50 does not mean I'm entitled to that item if I run the instance on another class. You know what I do? I run the instance again. If I really want the item but don't want to run on the class, I make a party of my own and establish a loot agreement.

This, pretty much. Let's be real, even if you're on the right job to roll need on an item, you may lose the roll if there's another person on same job that rolls higher than you. I have that happen quite often, and yes it's frustrating, but it's not like you can't just run the dungeon or trial again.

[Obysuca]

All of this and some more of this. Sure it's selfish, but it's even more selfish when someone needs/greeds on the piece of gear you've been wanting and come to find out, they don't even have the job unlocked -.- While yours is at 50

Aaaaand just happened again -.- Decided to come drg to t4 since someone else decided to swap to brd. What drops? Brd head. Who gets it? The guy with lvl ~20 arc -.-

[Farah]

Aaaaand just happened again -.- Decided to come drg to t4 since someone else decided to swap to brd. What drops? Brd head. Who gets it? The guy with lvl ~20 arc -.-

And you know what you could have done before going in? Made a loot agreement with the party. The other guy completed the run the same as you, and has a right to the loot the same as you. His odds were just better when he rolled. Wish you better luck next time you run. It's irritating I'm sure, but there is no point in getting sour with other players. Brd visor is also T2, not T4.

[Obysuca]

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Not sure why I hit 4 and didn't realize it but yeah lol Not annoyed at the player, just annoyed that theres that chance they may never level it, because we all know those types of people who do it just because they can :/

It'd just be nice if people used common sense (someone who can use it now and help runs better) over their own greedy desires (glamour/just because) :/ Reminds me of those people back in Brayflox who'd come in as a 50 mage hitting need on battlemage's just for glamour (that was months away then) over the people who are actually lvling a mage that lvl who ACTUALLY need the gear


Also, to comment on the people saying "You should just come ____ then" This is a mmo, not a single player game, sometimes you can't just come a certain job, especially if someone in the pt, for example, asks if anyone can be a tank and let's say you can, and they have a DD who can join and it'd fill up the pt and you can get on with whatever you're doing. Since it's a mmo and you're playing with actual people, you shouldn't be selfish and go "Nope, not changing", the correct thing to do is "Sure, why not" because you know, it helps the party and actually gets crap done. I've seen way too many people who are selfish and flat out refuse to change jobs if it'll help the party, or they just drop out of it, causing the wait to be much longer than it needs to be. People seem to forget this. Semi-off topic, but this is one of the many reasons people talk about how bad the XIV community is (it really is, worse I've seen imo).

[Farah]

Whee!~

I understand the frustration, but I look at it as if those levels are never there. I don't search people after a run to see if they are going to use the gear they just got. I feel what they do with the gear is none of my business, just like the level of their classes is none of my business.

I really love the battlemage set, so i farmed brayflox with my friends for it before I ever leveled a magic class. I now have a lvl 44 black mage, who has spent most of its time in that battlemage set. I love that set, and I don't blame anyone who wants it. I guess I'm just more relaxed than other people about gear, because I know I'll eventually get it cause I will keep running til i get it.

I don't get mad at other people because they are probably really happy they got that gear. They may not use it like you intend to, but they wanted it just like you did. If someone told me I didn't deserve the gear that I rolled on and worked for the same as you, I would be pretty upset. I won't tell you that you don't deserve the gear, and you should show me the same courtesy. That's how I view it.

[Obysuca]

I understand the frustration, but I look at it as if those levels are never there. I don't search people after a run to see if they are going to use the gear they just got. I feel what they do with the gear is none of my business, just like the level of their classes is none of my business.

I check what jobs they have for various reasons. Let's say if they're on blm and they're pulling tons of hate and dying. I'd check to see if they have brd lvled so I can ask them to use quelling strikes and if they don't then I'd suggest to level it, since it's useful to have. Another reason is if we lack a certain job, to check if someone's able to change to it so we can fill up the party and do the content, instead of waiting for a while and having people leave the party, because for some reason, everyone is so impatient these days.