Vote Kick yourself....

[Sensyon]

So from what I understand, they wanted to learn, but you didn't want to teach them and you felt that it was a burden to have to teach them?

You did not understand at all apparently. Literally, everything I've been saying is the exact opposite of what you just asked. I mean, wow. You're not even close. The three of us that were not preformed WANTED to teach them. They just wanted the carry. What they were doing was not good enough with their gear, plus Echo buff to win. I can prove it... We did not win...

[Sensyon]

if you make it so you can vote kick yourself, SE might as well just get rid of the penalty altogether. The penalty used to be 15 minutes. They raised it to 30 minutes for a reason. vote kicking yourself is a terrible idea.

Not really, no.

[Sensyon]

Whether they came in together or separately is irrelevant, as that has no bearing on how many people it takes to decide whether to Vote Abandon or keep trying.

Yes it does have bearing. 5 people out vote 3...

[LexSunfire]

Not really, no.

such an effective argument. gold star effort. you want to be able to vote kick yourself so you can avoid the 30 minute penalty. if this feature is added, it's going to be used in way more situations then just your one alleged incident. you're going to have everyone kicking themselves to avoid the 30 minute penalty. your "not really, no" doesn't explain why this won't happen. vote kicking self is still a terrible idea.

if your party refuses to initiate a vote kick what makes you think they're going to vote for your initiated vote kick.

[Sensyon]

You seem to think that the rules should be tossed out the window just because the other players there didn't agree with you. Well, that's not how games work. That they didn't agree to go with your strategy doesn't change the basic rules of the game. Maybe it was your strategy that was wrong and they were right not to go with it. But regardless of whose strategy may or may not have been better, the group has the right to keep trying if the majority of its players want to do so (at least up until the dungeon's time limit kicks in and SE themselves decide it's not working).

Also, incorrect. I'm asking for an additional feature and NOT the removal of the other rules. Further, the only strategy we were "allowed" to follow was the WHM's, which consisted of getting to at least 30% Echo Buff and healing through Plumes and spamming Manawall... I hope I don't have to explain how thats not a good strategy, right? And they could have vote-kicked me when I asked them to and got another DPS easy, but they didn't. They could have formed a full party and they didn't. They're time was too important, but not the 3 others who were trying to get it done..?

[Sensyon]

such an effective argument. gold star effort. you want to be able to vote kick yourself so you can avoid the 30 minute penalty. if this feature is added, it's going to be used in way more situations then just your one alleged incident. you're going to have everyone kicking themselves to avoid the 30 minute penalty. your "not really, no" doesn't explain why this won't happen. vote kicking self is still a terrible idea.

Sorry, I just assumed you bothered to peruse the numerous posts in this topic that covered the issue. Essentially, I don't agree with your statement, and have posted reasons why.

[LexSunfire]

Sorry, I just assumed you bothered to peruse the numerous posts in this topic that covered the issue. Essentially, I don't agree with your statement, and have posted reasons why.

well when your "numerous posts" don't make sense it's hard to follow what you're talking about. you want to be able to initiate a vote kick so the rest of your party will vote to kick you after refusing to initiate a vote kick. if your party refuses to initiate a vote kick what makes you think they're going to vote for your initiated vote kick? dumb idea still.

[Niwashi]

Whether they came in together or separately is irrelevant, as that has no bearing on how many people it takes to decide whether to Vote Abandon or keep trying.

Yes it does have bearing. 5 people out vote 3...

Five people who came in together would out-vote three. Five people who came in separately would out-vote three. If just a couple people out of that group of five had agreed with you to abandon, then your three plus two of the five would have out-voted the other three of the five. It's not coming in together that enabled them to out-vote you. It's the fact that there were more people who wanted to stay than there were people who wanted to leave.

I'm asking for an additional feature and NOT the removal of the other rules.

No, you don't want them removed. You just want them not to apply to you.

[Sensyon]

well when your "numerous posts" don't make sense it's hard to follow what you're talking about. you want to be able to initiate a vote kick so the rest of your party will vote to kick you after refusing to initiate a vote kick. if your party refuses to initiate a vote kick what makes you think they're going to vote for your initiated vote kick? dumb idea still.

Again, I mentioned this earlier. If they don't vote-kick you, you give a reason and get a reduced penalty.

[LexSunfire]

Again, I mentioned this earlier. If they don't vote-kick you, you give a reason and get a reduced penalty.

if you want to leave then leave. but trying to "give a reason" to get a reduced penalty...? who decides if your "reason" is good enough to get a reduced penalty? or does your "reason" need to be good at all? can I just put that "people are stupid meanies" and that'll be good enough to get a reduced penalty? how does this suggestion not get abused?