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    Gaddes Ronfaure
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    People that don't level crucial cross class skills.

    Had to heal a terrible tank the other night in Stone Vigil who was already bad enough at managing multiple enemies, but that didn't have Flash. At 43. ... Needless to say we wiped several times when the idiot couldn't Overpower them all at the start and then I aggro'd 2 of the 3 dragon aevis's from a single heal to the tank. We tried to warn him to get Flash before doing any more dungeons and got an "alright lol"

    ... I could probably bet money that the idiot went right into another dungeon after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaddes View Post
    People that don't level crucial cross class skills.

    Had to heal a terrible tank the other night in Stone Vigil who was already bad enough at managing multiple enemies, but that didn't have Flash. At 43. ... Needless to say we wiped several times when the idiot couldn't Overpower them all at the start and then I aggro'd 2 of the 3 dragon aevis's from a single heal to the tank. We tried to warn him to get Flash before doing any more dungeons and got an "alright lol"

    ... I could probably bet money that the idiot went right into another dungeon after that.
    I don't think that's even possible. Doesn't Warrior need Gladiator to 15? You get flash at like 8. Unless he was just a MRD, that's another can of worms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaddes View Post
    People that don't level crucial cross class skills.

    Had to heal a terrible tank the other night in Stone Vigil who was already bad enough at managing multiple enemies, but that didn't have Flash. At 43. ... Needless to say we wiped several times when the idiot couldn't Overpower them all at the start and then I aggro'd 2 of the 3 dragon aevis's from a single heal to the tank. We tried to warn him to get Flash before doing any more dungeons and got an "alright lol"

    ... I could probably bet money that the idiot went right into another dungeon after that.
    Probably just the person dude, might be new to MMOs in general or a bit slow. I play both tanks, I never use flash on my Warrior, it's awesome no doubt, but I don't need it.

    Plus, cross class skills above level 15 is not "crucial" to any content before the HM trials/dung/raids. It will make your life easier but I personally won't be tied down just because I don't have them. (since you are talking about stone vigil btw, raiding is another thing entirely)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBiscuit View Post
    I don't think that's even possible. Doesn't Warrior need Gladiator to 15? You get flash at like 8. Unless he was just a MRD, that's another can of worms.
    You know, I hadn't even thought about that... I just saw he had a greataxe on his back and had just assumed he was a WAR at that level. So either he was a MRD or had no clue or interest in how to assign a cross-class ability.


    Quote Originally Posted by chocomaid View Post
    Probably just the person dude, might be new to MMOs in general or a bit slow. I play both tanks, I never use flash on my Warrior, it's awesome no doubt, but I don't need it.
    If you can manage a large group of enemies without Flash, then good for you. This guy clearly could not; Flash would have greatly helped with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by chocomaid View Post
    Plus, cross class skills above level 15 is not "crucial" to any content before the HM trials/dung/raids. It will make your life easier but I personally won't be tied down just because I don't have them. (since you are talking about stone vigil btw, raiding is another thing entirely)
    If you don't have cross class skills above level 15 for higher level areas, then everyone else has to pick up your slack. It's a bad habit to have in dungeons because people like that will carry it over into harder stuff.
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    Last edited by Gaddes; 04-18-2014 at 08:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaddes View Post
    People that don't level crucial cross class skills.

    Had to heal a terrible tank the other night in Stone Vigil who was already bad enough at managing multiple enemies, but that didn't have Flash. At 43. ... Needless to say we wiped several times when the idiot couldn't Overpower them all at the start and then I aggro'd 2 of the 3 dragon aevis's from a single heal to the tank. We tried to warn him to get Flash before doing any more dungeons and got an "alright lol"

    ... I could probably bet money that the idiot went right into another dungeon after that.
    My main is healer role and i can tell watching enmity is healer's responsibility. Every white mage can have a medica II and Holy fest, but a bit later he will inevitably die. Same happens when you don't watch who you heal (including bad tanks). Let him die and save the rest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luxx View Post
    7. you can essentially have fairies solo heal 30 and below dungeons so the extra dps is added. :3
    and sometimes for trash in higher lvls, i be comboing so much and watch my tank n ppls health too. it's pretty fun
    trying to do a lot but those times before bosses, i use selene for the speed buffs and switch to mostly healing in bosses with eos. real fun ^^l
    love sch, u can add some dots here and there which helps the team out alot.
    I healed full cutters cry (lv38) without leaving cleric stance. I think it may also work in DD (lv44). Rouse and Fei illumination make wonders. Also when i am the sub-healer i don't leave the CS unless i need to succor the team.
    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Uh, Eye for an Eye is VERY useful. Maybe not for normal dungeons, but for the harder stuff, that 10% adds up.
    It is also the weakest (10%) damage mitigation buff tanks have. Tanks also have passive mitigation such as parry (all tanks) and block (pld).
    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    In general:
    [..]
    People who tell others how to play a class without leveling said class.
    [..]
    1. SCH Stoneskin/Protecting the party when a WHM is around
    2. Not DPSing when incoming damage is low
    3. Not having [..] Stoneskin (SCH)
    4. Cleric Stance healing (not removing it when told its on)
    [..]
    5. Pets running wild (also applies to SCH, but harder to notice)
    I will state reasons behind it.
    1. "Wake up everyone, lets start the fight..."
    2. Frustrated by team performance, harassed, headache, chatting, even NEW - DF in other words.
    3. Over the 2 months i had a reason to stoneskin someone only twice, why waste time casting it when it's not really needed.
    4. Better half healing then no at all. CS lags, often it's better to cast a heal while in CS. Scholars can lustrate, but whms would save the benediction.
    5. Everyone who played a tank knows how annoying Eos buffs are - they are impossible not to notice.

    What annoys me is not class-specific, but generally people not doing their best to complete the dungeon. They have decent gear and fail-proof build, but are not paying attention, not using cooldowns, not spamming skills, not using all available skills, and eventually run takes very long and often fails. This attitude is not something they can change over time - it is their play style and they like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxSch View Post
    It is also the weakest (10%) damage mitigation buff tanks have. Tanks also have passive mitigation such as parry (all tanks) and block (pld).
    Tanks? The big thing about Eye for an Eye is it affects the mobs damage output to EVERYONE. Like on Titan for example, that 10% reduction affects Tumults and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    Tanks? The big thing about Eye for an Eye is it affects the mobs damage output to EVERYONE. Like on Titan for example, that 10% reduction affects Tumults and such.
    Blind, virus, storm's path and rage of halone also affect the aoe damage bosses do. But for tanks it's one of the weakest damage mitigation buffs. Tank would cycle 20-30-40% reduction buffs during the fight + all parries and blocks (25% mitigation per).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rydiah View Post
    I get what he's saying though, I don't know what skills are necessary as a WAR, but I've been getting Stone Vigil a lot in DR lately, and a lot of tanks that only focus on one mob, totally ignoring the others. Its not uncommon for me to rip a couple of dragons off them with one cure. I also know how to watch my enmity, but sometimes...I'd rather heal through it and finish the run instead of slowing it down trying to teach someone a lesson.

    Things that annoy me? As DRG its tanks that constantly spin the mob around.

    As a healer, people that don't even try to get out of AoE's. Got out of it a little too late? That's fine, it happens....But if you just stand there and take a huge hit to the face because you didn't feel like moving...that's when I start getting annoyed.
    I let someone's hp drop very low before i start healing in such cases and they actually improve a lot during the fight. If healer dies it is impressive how long some people can stay alive - all they needed to do is to start paying attention. Getting to low hp or even dying acts like a trigger for them. This is not a very nice thing to do, but people really improve this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxSch View Post
    Blind, virus, storm's path and rage of halone also affect the aoe damage bosses do. But for tanks it's one of the weakest damage mitigation buffs. Tank would cycle 20-30-40% reduction buffs during the fight + all parries and blocks (25% mitigation per).
    Yeah, 10% is totally weak! That's why all the BRDs were totally silent when Rain of Death was changed. >_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    Yeah, 10% is totally weak! That's why all the BRDs were totally silent when Rain of Death was changed. >_>
    10% is totally weak - is a fact, just look at war/pld cooldowns. Weak does not mean bad or useless though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxSch View Post
    My main is healer role and i can tell watching enmity is healer's responsibility. Every white mage can have a medica II and Holy fest, but a bit later he will inevitably die. Same happens when you don't watch who you heal (including bad tanks). Let him die and save the rest.
    I get what he's saying though, I don't know what skills are necessary as a WAR, but I've been getting Stone Vigil a lot in DR lately, and a lot of tanks that only focus on one mob, totally ignoring the others. Its not uncommon for me to rip a couple of dragons off them with one cure. I also know how to watch my enmity, but sometimes...I'd rather heal through it and finish the run instead of slowing it down trying to teach someone a lesson.

    Things that annoy me? As DRG its tanks that constantly spin the mob around.

    As a healer, people that don't even try to get out of AoE's. Got out of it a little too late? That's fine, it happens....But if you just stand there and take a huge hit to the face because you didn't feel like moving...that's when I start getting annoyed.
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