Summoner remap avatar Egi

[Madoka]

This isn't FFX. There's a reason we have to kill the primals whenever they revive. They don't follow whoever summoned them, they temper and control their summoners themselves.

If we did somehow summon the full primal it would just absorb our lifeforce. The egis are a small portion of their power that we've subdued. If you want to play a SMN with different models either learn to mod or go play XI

[Jediman]

This isn't FFX. There's a reason we have to kill the primals whenever they revive. They don't follow whoever summoned them, they temper and control their summoners themselves.

If we did somehow summon the full primal it would just absorb our lifeforce. The egis are a small portion of their power that we've subdued. If you want to play a SMN with different models either learn to mod or go play XI

You have just proven my point by saying go play final fantasy XI lol

Anyone with the right mind would say they are no where close to summoner avatars in final fantasy series, you failed to understand its pile of garbage titan is an excellent example.

"The egis are a small portion of their power that we've subdued"

small portion of power indeed...makes me wonder why they gimped it in final fantasy 14 ><

[Mcshiggs]

small portion of power indeed...makes me wonder why they gimped it in final fantasy 14 ><

Maybe 14 didn't "gimp" it, maybe XI was just overcompensating for other, shall we say shortcomings. XI big summons = middle aged man's red corvette

[Madoka]

Because a small deformed egi makes more sense than a tiny mini-primal and looks less goofy. I know you want full size like Akiza but it's not happening

And comparing XI to XIV, just look at the gameplay. In XI you do everything from the menus and you can literally stand still for the entire fight because of how the game works, so giving you a huge ass summon or a little ball of yellow makes no functional difference.
In XIV we have to actively dodge shit, position, deal with mechanics and all sorts of crap. If we were like XI summoners we'd either die constantly ourselves trying to do shit or the primals would just die when we can't move them in time. See: Using Ifrit in any end game fight. And if we were built like XI summoners we'd be useless as shit as soon as the primal dies. And with the mechanics in new coil and assuming any future stuff isn't going to be similar or worse, anyone bitching for SMN to be heavily changed to be like it is in XI or some other game is an idiot imo.

[Jediman]

Thats what I'm saying they should keep an option for those that have shitty graphic card what they got right now and give us the option for the big version of the avatars egi this way SE can tell if the player base opt in for big or small egi.

Summoner has become an DoT class in the game its got nothing to do with the avatars egi.

The class is about keeping your DoT up all the time lol but then again you can fool yourself and pretend you don't have egi by your side.

Because a small deformed egi makes more sense than a tiny mini-primal and looks less goofy. I know you want full size like Akiza but it's not happening

And comparing XI to XIV, just look at the gameplay. In XI you do everything from the menus and you can literally stand still for the entire fight because of how the game works, so giving you a huge ass summon or a little ball of yellow makes no functional difference.
In XIV we have to actively dodge shit, position, deal with mechanics and all sorts of crap. If we were like XI summoners we'd either die constantly ourselves trying to do shit or the primals would just die when we can't move them in time. See: Using Ifrit in any end game fight. And if we were built like XI summoners we'd be useless as shit as soon as the primal dies. And with the mechanics in new coil and assuming any future stuff isn't going to be similar or worse, anyone bitching for SMN to be heavily changed to be like it is in XI or some other game is an idiot imo.

I'm sure some idiot will call hes egi off just to dodge shit I don't even see it happening in fate group or new coil, they will only do it in solo mode.

[Seaku]

Nothing to do with the avatar egis? Getting 1/3-1/4 of my damage ripped from me when my summon dies and contagion if its garuda is rather noticable. So yes, the egis do matter. They aren't the main source of your damage but are still needed. Do consider this, 110 (or 135 if boss isn't moving for shadowflare) potency of your rotation is dots at a constant rate. 100-120 potency is from your egi. So your pet is on par with your dots, the rest being made up from ruin and fester. They are more potent than your dots with spur/rouse which will be up for more time than raging strikes. (Again this is normal rotation, I'm not adding in miasma II+contagion for the moment). Furthermore as stated before summoner as a JOB doesn't give you dots, that is all from arcanist. Garuda is currently the only egi that enchances you with contagion, thus is an important part of your rotation. So again another reason why the egi is important. I do wish ifirt and titan had similar abilities to improve you but that's another discussion.


I also don't get your issue with graphics cards here. The reason why they are small is nothing to do with graphics, heck, behemoth mount likely takes the same amount to render as a smaller model of the primal. Thing is in the game the lore establishes that if you want a primal that isn't an egi you need lots of people and crystals to do so. Madoka already explained exactly how. So having a small primal is not what we have, not in this lore anyhow.

The other reason the egi's are small from a design prespective is because of screen clutter, for other players. As in if they were a lot bigger they'd get in the way. I doubt SE are going an to add an option to make it so you can't see other egi's or see smaller versions of them. Could the egi's use a redesign? Sure. Are they going to look like the primals or be bigger? Nope. If you want an example of this, go see what happened when they allowed hunter pets in WoW to be bigger. Caused a whole load of issues.

[Jediman]

Well I'm not asking for big one like in final fantasy 11, I want the avatars egi to look more like avatars in any other final fantasy series with more detail most player failed to understand this is next gen graphic game on pc so titan looks like a pile of rocks molded together and the developers didn't have the time to go through alot with summoner class.

Its more of a DoT class mage no longer a summoner class like the rest of the final fantasy series thats why its 14 lol

I don't like the idea of the summoner copying ACN DoT class >< O.o

[Madoka]

SMN is the dps job spec for Arcanist. It's going to be the same as the base class, thats just how it works.
What you're asking for is not only a change in the SMN job itself, but an entirely new class that would function completely differently. FFXIV is not built to allow a pet focused class to function. It just won't work outside of you becoming the pet outright to remove your character from the game, at which point you stop being a pet class and are now a shape shifter.

And a bigger egi won't work because it will get in the way of other people having to target or seeing mechanics and many things. It's already bad enough when a Lalafell gets targetted by Divebombs or Devour and there's highlanders/roes in the party. And for the same reasons, a miniaturized version of the primals would just be shitting on their power. I'm pretty sure Titan-egi takes more resources to animate than regular titan as well, because while he's smaller he has more stuff going on.

[Jediman]

SMN is the dps job spec for Arcanist. It's going to be the same as the base class, thats just how it works.
What you're asking for is not only a change in the SMN job itself, but an entirely new class that would function completely differently. FFXIV is not built to allow a pet focused class to function. It just won't work outside of you becoming the pet outright to remove your character from the game, at which point you stop being a pet class and are now a shape shifter.

And a bigger egi won't work because it will get in the way of other people having to target or seeing mechanics and many things. It's already bad enough when a Lalafell gets targetted by Divebombs or Devour and there's highlanders/roes in the party. And for the same reasons, a miniaturized version of the primals would just be shitting on their power. I'm pretty sure Titan-egi takes more resources to animate than regular titan as well, because while he's smaller he has more stuff going on.

what are you on about it has work for an MMO for 8 years for final fantasy XI

Thats why I'm asking for a option for those with crappy graphic card can have it the way it is right now but then again they won't do it because of ps3 limitation.

[L-D-Omlette]

OMG, In FFVII (the bestest FF EVER) there was these awesome cutscenes when you used a summon and it did awesome damage. THAT is what SMN should be not this garbage SE gave us now...

/sarcasm