Summoner remap avatar Egi

[Jediman]

Dont mind the size, would prefer if they were more detailed, titan egi looks sucks, would definitely prefer it to look like the titan adds in extreme.

Thats my point most player don't get that or even play the class and input here for the fun of it.

Some comment users have spoken about regarding size and detail.

I would like summons that look like summons, not the egis.

FFXI summons or gtfo! You can make the model slightly smaller if you want or even change the color pattern.

SMN does not feel like SMN, Scholar is fine.

Tho this is true, a slight increase in size wouldnt hurt if SE allows for the summons to evolve. I just think the look could get better as we progress.

I like this idea. For now, I think the egis are good, but down the line, (lv cap increases, etc.) I'd like to see them evolve as you suggested.

When will the devs understand people just want summons that dont look dumb? And maybe a Summoner class that revolves around summoning instead of being a copy-pasta of WoW Warlock?

SE here's a thread full of feedback.

I'm taking a break from the game..

I'll be back when Summoner is implemented...... how ever long that takes.

My favorite version of the Summoner would be from FFX. You summoned, you buggered off, then you took direct control of the summoned creature. This is what I think the summoner class should be in this game. Not a pet.

Scholar and Arcanist can stay pet-centric. They're fine for the most part.

The Pros:

- One less character to render on screen so they could up the detail of the summoned egi.

- Direct control means less chance of having half your dps on the wrong enemy or a random ability doing something that's detrimental to the group.

- Fewer abilities being cast means fewer spell/ability effects on screen at one time.

The Cons:

- No longer a pet job. Could still use pets as an arcanist though.

I agree. It feels like the egis are starting out life in its first baby form. This is why I hope they evolve later.

Yes I do wish SMN had more damage come from the pet. Right now the pet itself feels like a dot lol. Hopefully when the cap increases SE will solve some of summoners issues.

If there was a way to evolve the Egi into forms that matched the FFXI avatar designs, that would be the best day ever.

I wish they'd just make the Egi's look like the XI Avatars. The sizes need not change at all.. Honestly the XI designs for Egi's still keeps things in line with how Yoshida wanted it too, with the Egi's looking different from the Primals themselves. As it is, Ifrit-egi is the closest to being decent looking.. Titan-egi looks silly, plain and simple. And Garuda-egi looks nothing like Garuda at all, which is completely and utterly jarring when compared to the other two, which at least bear resemblances to their primals..

Some other things I'd like are.. making Carbuncle light-based as a few others have mentioned. Also make Topaz a stance form of Carbuncle's instead of an entirely separate summon. Make it a skill where he switches between caster and tanking stances, give it a cooldown if need be, just condense it. Likewise move Garuda and Titan into their own Summoning spells, and let us keep Carbuncle as a novelty - he doesn't need to be good, just give us the option for fun. While you're at it, rename the "Summon I-III" stuff to the names of what we're summoning, and give Garuda and Titan their own icons.. It annoys the HELL out of me that Garuda and Titan have Carbuncle icons, whereas Ifrit does not..

Yeah, this is pretty much the reason I don't play SMN. That, and the poor design decision to tie stat builds to the base class. So much for the armory system.

That's a shame. Coulda of have Egi's grow-up like they did in AION.
Feel bad for you SMN's. The egi's are just meh, and Garuda looks the worse as it resembles nothing of Garuda.
It does look like an awesome design for a Wind Element to farm shards and such.
Also summoner in general just is a DoT class...He doesn't feel like a summoner to me, at all.

Coming from someone who is at end game as a Summoner (turn 5)...

As everyone else is saying, and I have to add myself, Summoner is a disappointment in this game. It's a fun gameplay style, and it's (mostly) okay, but it's not a Summoner. Whatever this thing is we're playing should not be called Summoner; there should be a real FF Summoner class.

SE, despite the fact you guys said you were taking in fan feedback and remaking the game, you really derped this one. Despite everyone telling you the entire time during development what they wanted, and now all this post-release feedback going to you, you continue to say "too bad, this is how the designers want it." Like, seriously? After all this time of remaking the game, now suddenly fan feedback isn't important anymore? This is really a no brainer, and this issue needs to be taken more seriously than just "sorry no, accept it for how it is."

You can't just keep saying "we already made this, sorry it would take too much effort and we would feel dumb if we admit we made a mistake." I understand you wanted a DoT caster so bad, and I understand you wanted a pet class so bad, but merging the two ideas together was absolutely horrible for fans of Summoner. NOBODY that was looking forward to Summoner was expecting this or wanted this. This is not Summoner, it's a DoT caster, with a green dragon as a pet (multiple people on occasion have called Garuda a "dragon" when they see my pet). Yes, Garuda, because Ifrit is literally useless and Titan is only useful for FATE tanking (yes, I'm aware of you people that think you're so cool because you got through Amdapor Keep with Titan as tank and 3 DPS people, but taking 40 minutes/longer in general is not a good thing). Heck, even ignoring you merging the two ideas together, you STILL could've gotten this right, but it feels like you put forth no effort in the design and just straight up slapped the Summoner name on it at the last second.

As a SUMMONER, I would like the majority of my damage and utility and power to come from my PET. As of right now, the pet is equivalent to a tiny portion of your total damage output, and is an auto-attack turret that you only slightly pay attention to when it's going to die (because that would be a DPS loss, oh no) or when you need Contagion. That's not Summoner at all, in any FINAL FANTASY, and if you wanted to add Summoner as fan service because EVERYONE WAS REQUESTING IT, maybe you should've thought to actually make it like the SUMMONER people wanted; at least SOMEHOW. So many other games did your Summoner DoT concept stupidity better than you did (Aion Spiritmaster comes to mind); if you REALLY wanted to do this funky combination, you could've at least put some more effort into it, or just kept true to past FINAL FANTASY style.

I hope Japan is complaining about this as much as we are. I hope SE decides to actually THINK ABOUT THIS and do something.

Can you please increase the polygon/detail of these mini characters at the least, or increase their size by 30% to seem a little less like our non-combat companions and more like fearful Level 50 beings? My Cactuar can't fight but he seems more menacing than Garuda-egi. I played a Summoner in FFXI and it was immensely rewarding. I've tried it in this game and I don't feel like a Summoner at all, more like a Hunter in World of Warcraft. I even made my hair green like Rydia because I love summoning so much, but it's the last class I want to play.

I play Pugilist and I feel like Sabin. I play Paladin and I feel like Steiner. I play Dragoon and I feel like Kain. But when I play Summoner, it doesn't feel like Summoner.

We discussed your feedback about the design of the egi with the development team. As was mentioned previously during the Beta test, the design planner reiterated that egi were designed to be a manifestation of a percentage of power taken from the primals and are intentionally designed to appear differently from the primal. As such, we aren't planning on changing the look of egi at higher levels.

We will however continue to take in your feedback when creating new egi that will be added in the future.

These are the worst avatars ever in the history of final fantasy. It was created this way because you ran out of time.. You rushed the job and now it looks like this. Just admit it and change them to look SOME WHAT decent.

You always said you listen to customers and people hate these avatars more then don't. Just change em so we can move on.

I Can QUOTE again and again but i think vast majority understands it was class that was rushed.
For those that are saying its fine the way it is because they never played the class.
Don't make the future avatar egi like pile of crap please till then i will level summoner to level 50 and stop Final fantasy XIV subscription since I'm only interested in the class and see how it goes for the future.

There are very few summoners I remember when most player opt in for arcanists there for loads of carbuncle in city zones and a very good design of the avatar.

I wanna feel more summoner lol type in google "Final fantasy summoner" so you know what I'm getting at.

All Quoting from here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...TION%29/page27

[Akiza]

Maybe Square would change the Summoner if everyone's ideas were consolidated in one suggestion forum instead of multiple forums like they are now.

[Mcshiggs]

Maybe Square would change the Summoner if everyone's ideas were consolidated in one suggestion forum instead of multiple forums like they are now.

Something tells me if they take the time to consolidate the relic quest threads into one with over 120 pages of people complaining, and they haven't with this, then they really don't care how many people can't accept that this is it's own game and not XI.

[Blitzace]

<- Summenor main job in XI. it was epic. Was so thrilled when they annouched SMN to be back in XIV. once i summoned carby, wonderfull feeling, once i noticed that i'm just a DOT spammer instead of a real summenor, mehh. changed class real soon after hitting 50. Its just a so disappointed to play SMN in XIV after i played it for years on XI, and even there the class was unwanted for most things untill the AB burn and crap like that.

[Warlyx]

<- Summenor main job in XI. it was epic. Was so thrilled when they annouched SMN to be back in XIV. once i summoned carby, wonderfull feeling, once i noticed that i'm just a DOT spammer instead of a real summenor, mehh. changed class real soon after hitting 50. Its just a so disappointed to play SMN in XIV after i played it for years on XI, and even there the class was unwanted for most things untill the AB burn and crap like that.

same happened to me

[Madoka]

Making an all new model for the egis takes more effort than scaling down an already existing model. I'm not sure how it was lazy.

[Blackcanary]

Making an all new model for the egis takes more effort than scaling down an already existing model. I'm not sure how it was lazy.

The design of the models is the lazy part they look like candy. It shows you that they didn't have enough time to make them look amazing. I dread to think what Levi, Shiva and the Thunder primal forgot his name will look like. I'm really happy Diabolous sorry about spelling will hopefully never have the same fate.

[Madoka]

They're literally an embodiment of the element. It makes sense to me why they look like that. There's also a Ramuh-egi model on xivdb, has been for a long time.

[Blackcanary]

They're literally an embodiment of the element. It makes sense to me why they look like that. There's also a Ramuh-egi model on xivdb, has been for a long time.

Yea just checked it out it looks terrible lol just my opinion lol.

[Jediman]

Yea just checked it out it looks terrible lol just my opinion lol.

I agree with you it looks crap
Makes be wonder they got no idea how the dam summoner pets look like.