The Duty Finder is not your personal Brayflox Hard myth farming service.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I have literally refused to do Brayflox HM after reading this and after experiencing it myself today.

Me and my friend queue up, him as WHM, me as my DRG like always. Run starts, everyone says hi (except the tank of course), we start going, then the tank just runs around flashing EVERYTHING in the first area all the way up until the first coeurl, and me, the bard, and my friend all are spamming our biggest AoEs trying to kill them all, while my friend is frantically trying to heal the tank. We get through that thankfully, and while me and my friend were grumbling about it in FC chat, we still continued on, since we had managed to do that well enough. We continue on, tank AGAIN pulls all the mobs from the Coeurl patrol to the first boss, THEN pulls the boss as well, which started the countdown.


I didn't even realize he'd pulled the boss until I was suddenly locked out and getting beat on by the mobs that got locked out as well. I ended up dying and just went back to the start and waited, while asking the tank if next time he could just announce he was going to do a full pull to the boss area, since NONE of us knew what he was doing until just then. The guy had not spoken a word at all, no "hey guys I wanna speedrun this", no "hey guys I'm gonna pull all the mobs so get ready", just silently goes in and pulls every single mob and then gets one of the dps locked out of the first boss while they struggle to stay alive because my friend's mp is going down fast due to the constant spam heal.

When both me and my friend start pointing out to him WHY it's always a good idea to announce your intentions for the run before it starts, after the tank questions why he'd even need to, he starts going nuts on us like "but why wouldn't you speedrun, that gets you the most myth and soldier fast" and no matter what we told him about WHY you need to at least ANNOUNCE when you're speedrunning, he just kept being a bullheaded idiot about it. I finally kicked him after my friend begged me to in FC chat, and we got a new tank who I thought would be good at first, since he at least said hi when he got in.

Wrong. He also pulled the entire area after the first boss, and tried to tank all of it in a small alcove. Needless to say, the gliders kept hitting my friend, and so he died, which meant no heals, so we all died. He asked the tank to not do that, and the tank began to comply at first, but after two sets of mobs, he just ran around and aggro'd everything again. Had the bard not been popping MP song and TP song when needed, we would have died again from that pull. When we brought this up, the tank was just like "but we didn't". As if that's any excuse?

Seriously, I already dislike tanks on principle since 90% of the ones I've run into in every game before, including this one, have been prima dona drama queens who think they rule the world just because they're a tank. This Brayflox idiocy is making me hate tanks even more, as well as hate even trying to do the run without 3 friends alongside me.

[Freyar]

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I don't mind speedruns if/when it's announced and everyone has decent gear. (Really, I have a friend who's undergeared for that kind of pull and it just can't be done with limited DPS like that despite how awesome I am as a healer.)

The problem is, people are assuming that everyone is intending to get through content as fast as possible. Hell, the final Castrum run was completely screwed up for me story-wise because people didn't wait for others who were watching the cinematics.

Didn't play 1.xx. Can you elaborate on how it was broken?

It allowed for sup[a]r power leveling.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I don't mind speedruns if/when it's announced and everyone has decent gear. (Really, I have a friend who's undergeared for that kind of pull and it just can't be done with limited DPS like that despite how awesome I am as a healer.)

The problem is, people are assuming that everyone is intending to get through content as fast as possible. Hell, the final Castrum run was completely screwed up for me story-wise because people didn't wait for others who were watching the cinematics.

Same here, I've personally only done Brayflox HM a couple times since the patch, but I have no problems speedrunning things. I would just like to know ahead of time that I'll be speedrunning. I honestly hate the attitude of people who think everyone wants to gogogo through runs and thus don't even have the courtesy to say "hey I'll be speedrunning this". Even just a warning of your intentions would be preferable to no mention at all of what you plan to do.

To all tanks who assume everyone is like you and wants to speed through a run as fast as possible by aggroing EVERYTHING between the entrance and the boss, please stop. Seriously, stop.

[Barboron]

I have literally refused to do Brayflox HM after reading this and after experiencing it myself today.

Me and my friend queue up, him as WHM, me as my DRG like always. Run starts, everyone says hi (except the tank of course), we start going, then the tank just runs around flashing EVERYTHING in the first area all the way up until the first coeurl, and me, the bard, and my friend all are spamming our biggest AoEs trying to kill them all, while my friend is frantically trying to heal the tank. We get through that thankfully, and while me and my friend were grumbling about it in FC chat, we still continued on, since we had managed to do that well enough. We continue on, tank AGAIN pulls all the mobs from the Coeurl patrol to the first boss, THEN pulls the boss as well, which started the countdown.


I didn't even realize he'd pulled the boss until I was suddenly locked out and getting beat on by the mobs that got locked out as well. I ended up dying and just went back to the start and waited, while asking the tank if next time he could just announce he was going to do a full pull to the boss area, since NONE of us knew what he was doing until just then. The guy had not spoken a word at all, no "hey guys I wanna speedrun this", no "hey guys I'm gonna pull all the mobs so get ready", just silently goes in and pulls every single mob and then gets one of the dps locked out of the first boss while they struggle to stay alive because my friend's mp is going down fast due to the constant spam heal.

When both me and my friend start pointing out to him WHY it's always a good idea to announce your intentions for the run before it starts, after the tank questions why he'd even need to, he starts going nuts on us like "but why wouldn't you speedrun, that gets you the most myth and soldier fast" and no matter what we told him about WHY you need to at least ANNOUNCE when you're speedrunning, he just kept being a bullheaded idiot about it. I finally kicked him after my friend begged me to in FC chat, and we got a new tank who I thought would be good at first, since he at least said hi when he got in.

Wrong. He also pulled the entire area after the first boss, and tried to tank all of it in a small alcove. Needless to say, the gliders kept hitting my friend, and so he died, which meant no heals, so we all died. He asked the tank to not do that, and the tank began to comply at first, but after two sets of mobs, he just ran around and aggro'd everything again. Had the bard not been popping MP song and TP song when needed, we would have died again from that pull. When we brought this up, the tank was just like "but we didn't". As if that's any excuse?

Seriously, I already dislike tanks on principle since 90% of the ones I've run into in every game before, including this one, have been prima dona drama queens who think they rule the world just because they're a tank. This Brayflox idiocy is making me hate tanks even more, as well as hate even trying to do the run without 3 friends alongside me.

So much this! I tank and I do speedrun, but never in the Duty Finder. I will say it and if nobody says anything in reply to my asking (yes, asking, not telling) I will speedrun and gauge if the healers and DPS can handle it. If not, of course it's a wipe, restart, slow down.

[necrosis]

I have literally refused to do Brayflox HM after reading this and after experiencing it myself today.

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Just some pointers:

1) Learn to read people. Are they antsy to run off and not wait for buffs or do they wait for them? This can tell you things about the person. If they are going to be a trouble maker or not. Learned this very early on when leveling WHM (which is my main). Told me in 2 seconds who was going to be a mutton head during the run.
2) Learn the norm for a zone. I learned to EXPECT a speed run in WP. I learned to EXPECT a speed run in Longstop (hard). This alone is the best thing you can do.
3) Open YOUR mouth. If the tank says nothing YOU say something. Say if you want to do a speed run. Say you if you don't.

Yes people should be considerate of others and voice what they are going to do and not just assume. But there are a large amount of people out there that don't care and no amount of ranting about it will change anything. Learn to adapt or put things in your favor.

Does that mean not doing DF anymore? Maybe it does. I hate Pharos. I get it in DF. I just bite my tongue and go with it. Its one DF a day and I might not even get it every time. I just deal with it. Once its done I queue up what I want to do and go to town. This how I look at any craptacular DF zone or party. Only have to do it once a day. Hell I even skip days because I don't want to deal with it. I just seek on a specific zone or PF.

And again. I really hope SE does not screw over those of us who don't do this stupid crap in DF.

[LexSunfire]

Does that mean not doing DF anymore? Maybe it does.

People shouldn't have to sacrifice DR rewards in order to avoid idiotic selfish players.

Can't blame him for getting reported either. Since that's what he wanted to wash down that successful gluttonous myth farm dinner.

I didn't say the tank should go without being reported.

There has to be some sort of solution that minimizes or penalizes to a greater extent this kind of behavior. Unfortunately, nothing SE can do will fix the selfish, inconsiderate, and rude behavior of its players. There has to be some solution that still allows PF parties to do their speed runs but stops DF players from treating the DF like their own personal myth SR at the expense of the other players.

[Sensyon]

People shouldn't have to sacrifice DR rewards in order to avoid idiotic selfish players.



I didn't say the tank should go without being reported.

There has to be some sort of solution that minimizes or penalizes to a greater extent this kind of behavior. Unfortunately, nothing SE can do will fix the selfish, inconsiderate, and rude behavior of its players. There has to be some solution that still allows PF parties to do their speed runs but stops DF players from treating the DF like their own personal myth SR at the expense of the other players.

Vote-kick yourself...

[LexSunfire]

Vote-kick yourself...

no. that is still a dumb idea. if a tank initiates a vote-kick to kick himself that doesn't alleviate the fact that he's leaving after 2 bosses. that's just stupid.

[Sensyon]

no. that is still a dumb idea. if a tank initiates a vote-kick to kick himself that doesn't alleviate the fact that he's leaving after 2 bosses. that's just stupid.

The solution is a myth reward at the last boss. But I like the fact that you agree that there are selfish, inconsiderate and rude players that think they can do what they want in DF, because they're is nothing stopping them.

[LordSliver]

The solution is a myth reward at the last boss. But I like the fact that you agree that there are selfish, inconsiderate and rude players that think they can do what they want in DF, because they're is nothing stopping them.

But there is a good amount of soldiery rewards from last boss in Brayflox HM