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    NyxNoughtNothing's Avatar
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    Keflex Khat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankysorc View Post
    All mages, crafters, and gatherers have a close ranged auto attack. Just because you took a year [or more if you played 1.0] to notice does not mean they haven't been there the whole time.
    Bards[and melee] get an auto attack because all their other attacks do less damage. BLM is more bursty and doesn't need those filler hits.
    In that case why give casters an auto-attack at all? And ACN before the late thirties (38-39?) aren't very bursty since any attacks not from their pets are basically all DOTs, and using Scholar means the pets don't even do that. (Admittedly a pretty small slice of character leveling.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankysorc View Post
    All mages, crafters, and gatherers have a close ranged auto attack. Just because you took a year [or more if you played 1.0] to notice does not mean they haven't been there the whole time.
    Bards[and melee] get an auto attack because all their other attacks do less damage. BLM is more bursty and doesn't need those filler hits.
    I hit stuff with my frying pan on a daily basis.





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    Last edited by Arkghyom; 04-14-2014 at 05:49 AM.

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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyxNoughtNothing View Post
    Melee auto-attacks for casters are functionally pointless, and yet they all have them anyway. i only knew they existed because i was belatedly filling some old hunting log entries and happened to be close enough to the critter to watch my Arcanist smack it with a book when i clicked my mouse.
    Oddly enough Archer's auto-attack doesn't require being close enough to smack enemies with my bow.
    Why the disparity?
    Because bows shoot arrows. Books and staffs not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shioban View Post
    BLM has had an auto-attack since Final Fantasy XI.
    There was once a time where mages and every other classes didn't had auto-attack in XIV. Every attack needed to be manualy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmio...tailpage#t=146

    There were also once a time where mages also used some skills that needed TP.
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    Last edited by Felis; 04-14-2014 at 05:57 AM.

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    Yvaine Isaulde
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    Where are you now OP?
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    Rarn Drow
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    There wasn't anything wrong with the OP. Like you've never made a mistake in your life, gawd. STGDFU piranha-trolls.
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  6. #16
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    Kupo Kupo
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyxNoughtNothing View Post
    In that case why give casters an auto-attack at all? And ACN before the late thirties (38-39?) aren't very bursty since any attacks not from their pets are basically all DOTs, and using Scholar means the pets don't even do that. (Admittedly a pretty small slice of character leveling.)
    They probably felt like people want to be able to initiate combat by smacking mobs on any class. There's likely not any good reason, besides letting us look silly. Why give alchemists the ability to hit things with their alembic? Why tease me with letting me hit mobs in fates but then give me no credit?
    Early levels don't really matter, the game is not balanced around them. Smn does not need auto attack to do good dps at endgame.
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    Skadi Felis
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    Auto-Attack is good if you can kill the enemy with just a hit without wasting mp for the very last hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    There was once a time where mages and every other classes didn't had auto-attack in XIV. Every attack needed to be manualy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmio...tailpage#t=146

    There were also once a time where mages also used some skills that needed TP.
    That doesn't make what he said any less true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shioban View Post
    BLM has had an auto-attack since Final Fantasy XI.
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    Shio Ban
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    There was once a time where mages and every other classes didn't had auto-attack in XIV. Every attack needed to be manualy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmio...tailpage#t=146

    There were also once a time where mages also used some skills that needed TP.
    Correct!

    However I was referring to FFXI and 1.23 not 1.0 release (although it is notable)

    I actually kind of miss 1.0's old combat system it was rather interesting at first (albeit very broken I wish they'd simply adjusted it at times).
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    Astraea Starsong
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