Now that leves will be gone from our main exp function...

[Req]

fixed it a bit

I wasnt demanding that they give us things now, it was a comparison, I was saying that they need to implement a leveling system that gives about as much sp as leves currently do, or fix the party leveling mechanic so multiple parties can get decent sp from non leve mobs in the same area.

group leves will award less, but that's not the only change we'll see in 1.18, there will be the raid dungeons that might just give us the right amount of SP we need to level at a decent pace, then the NPC quests that will also reward SP with 1.18..

I really can't see dungeons giving decent sp when you can only have 4 people in the level 30 group. The mobs would have to be easy enough that 4 level 30s can kill them otherwise there wouldn't be any point in the level 25 requirement, it would completely destroy sp reward balancing if you can send in a bunch of level 40s to kill a bunch of level 30ish mobs and get decent sp over the course of an hour. On the other hand if you are in the higher group they have stated you need 8 people at level 50 to do it effectively. It would be kind of stupid if a main way of getting sp is doing a dungeon with people that don't need sp to begin with.

[Molly_Millions]

I really can't see dungeons giving decent sp when you can only have 4 people in the level 30 group. The mobs would have to be easy enough that 4 level 30s can kill them otherwise there wouldn't be any point in the level 25 requirement, it would completely destroy sp reward balancing if you can send in a bunch of level 40s to kill a bunch of level 30ish mobs and get decent sp over the course of an hour. On the other hand if you are in the higher group they have stated you need 8 people at level 50 to do it effectively. It would be kind of stupid if a main way of getting sp is doing a dungeon with people that don't need sp to begin with.

Since we're able to enter the r30 dungeon at r25 and the r50 dungeon at r45, it would be dumb if the dungeons don't give SP. Another important thing to note is that 4 man groups give the best SP as it stands right now. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think that the new dungeons could give pretty decent SP rewards.

[SuzakuCMX]

I really can't see dungeons giving decent sp when you can only have 4 people in the level 30 group. The mobs would have to be easy enough that 4 level 30s can kill them otherwise there wouldn't be any point in the level 25 requirement, it would completely destroy sp reward balancing if you can send in a bunch of level 40s to kill a bunch of level 30ish mobs and get decent sp over the course of an hour. On the other hand if you are in the higher group they have stated you need 8 people at level 50 to do it effectively. It would be kind of stupid if a main way of getting sp is doing a dungeon with people that don't need sp to begin with.

It's a 4-man requirement, not a 4-man limit.