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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    Again, putting words into my mouth. You need to stop that. It's not even worth correcting you as you're making me doubt your credibility to actually reading and comprehending the complaints being made.
    It's pretty obvious that they want the hardest content only clearable by the best players. If there are ways to get gear to outside of the raid, then you are allowing players to compensate lack of skill with gear, which clearly (based on this patch) is not what they are trying to accomplish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UBERHAXED View Post
    It's pretty obvious that they want the hardest content only clearable by the best players. If there are ways to get gear to outside of the raid, then you are allowing players to compensate lack of skill with gear, which clearly (based on this patch) is not what they are trying to accomplish.
    They should take it from Blizzard who's said that this isn't a sustainable business model. When you alienate all but 5-10% of the player population from experiencing new content by making it inaccessible, you're not only wasting resources as a company, but potentially losing subscribers who feel like they aren't getting anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heroicbandit View Post
    They should take it from Blizzard who's said that this isn't a sustainable business model. When you alienate all but 5-10% of the player population from experiencing new content by making it inaccessible, you're not only wasting resources as a company, but potentially losing subscribers who feel like they aren't getting anywhere.
    ^ this. This game has always been marketed as a casual game. Then 2.2 comes and locks out 90% of the players from the new content. Good job SE keeping the top 10% happy and giving them something to brag about. The other 90% will just contemplate quitting in the meantime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter View Post
    The other 90% will just contemplate quitting in the meantime.
    I guess it's the casuals turn to doom and gloom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter View Post
    ^ this. This game has always been marketed as a casual game. Then 2.2 comes and locks out 90% of the players from the new content. Good job SE keeping the top 10% happy and giving them something to brag about. The other 90% will just contemplate quitting in the meantime.
    Uh? The only content that is really "Locked out" is the new coil, since it requires a very skilled and organized team.

    If you think battles like Leviathan aren't casual, then you have no idea what a true hardcore experience is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taruranto View Post
    Uh? The only content that is really "Locked out" is the new coil, since it requires a very skilled and organized team.

    If you think battles like Leviathan aren't casual, then you have no idea what a true hardcore experience is.
    The majority of players in this game can't even try Leviathan because they are locked out of it being stuck on titan ex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter View Post
    The majority of players in this game can't even try Leviathan because they are locked out of it being stuck on titan ex.
    Then get good and do Titan Exe, ffs. They even added echo buff so you can go there under-geared.

    Jesus, it's just 1 freacking fight. You think that's hard? Try doing CoP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taruranto View Post
    Then get good and do Titan Exe, ffs. They even added echo buff so you can go there under-geared.

    Jesus, it's just 1 freacking fight. You think that's hard? Try doing CoP.
    Apples and Oranges, CoP was hard for different reasons, not because of latency and lag effecting players standing in AoE zones.

    Echo buff does nothing if you are knocked off the edge because you thought you were out of a landslide when in actual fact you weren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taruranto View Post
    Uh? The only content that is really "Locked out" is the new coil, since it requires a very skilled and organized team.

    If you think battles like Leviathan aren't casual, then you have no idea what a true hardcore experience is.
    Unless you beat in FFXI the following (while still in Lvl 75 time) .. just to mention some:
    Pandemonium Warden, Absolute Virtue, Each and every VHNM that was conisdered hard ... and to certain extend Dynamis Xarcabard, Dynamis in CoP areas, finished Aegis/Gjallerhorn
    You neither have an idea what "true" hardcore experience is.

    Oh and CoP Airship fight, was annoying, but not as annoying as any Titan encounter.

    For a lot of people in this game Titan Ex and also Titan HM are hardcore and very far away from casual. Not having done Leviathan yet, I wouldn't be surprised if some would consider him too Hardcore

    In FFXIV the idea of Hardcore is different in almost everyone. Come on Atma farming isn't hardcore .. it is just tedious

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    That said, I too feel 2.2 has kinda sucked out the fun. But not because Atma farming is annoying. Not because certain encounters only can be done when Titan Ex has been cleared.
    Everything pre 2.2 feels even more cookie cutter than before. People where before 2.2 quite nasty when it came to coil drops. Now 1-5 is a "Well at least I cleared it 1oo times" because people greed on everything

    The community became even more toxic..... or maybe it's just balmung.
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    Last edited by Kimikryo; 04-09-2014 at 10:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimikryo View Post
    Unless you beat in FFXI the following (while still in Lvl 75 time) .. just to mention some:
    Pandemonium Warden, Absolute Virtue, Each and every VHNM that was conisdered hard ... and to certain extend Dynamis Xarcabard, Dynamis in CoP areas, finished Aegis/Gjallerhorn
    You neither have an idea what "true" hardcore experience is.
    No one beat AV without exploits.
    No one beat PW until it was nerfed due to bad press.
    Having a relic pre-dynamis change just proved you were a selfish and manipulative.
    Ground Kings were only rewarded to whoever had the best packet bot.

    All 3 of those things were horribly designed, and I wouldn't classify any of them as hardcore--just stupid. Mostly only the people that played through RMT, or tagging along with people who did got to experience those things.

    The problem is tediousness as you said, and it needs to be addressed.
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