[Tank Shortage] Lv50 War/lv38 PLD resigning from ever using Duty Finder

[Inosaska]

I can earn exp faster from doing leves then doing dungeons. I'm leveling my warrior right now who just hit level 47 and it was going far faster by doing leves then by going through a dungeon. Simple to say that its only worth doing the dungeon for the daily then moving on to leves for the rest. I earn around 18k-21k per leve and doing 4 of them just regular ones and can finish them in 15 minutes or less at times brings in faster exp then what a group would bring in through a dungeon. That's around 72000-84000 exp in around 15-20 minutes for doing simple leves.

[MrEzekial]

OP sounds like a very oversensitive player. I actually laughed at some of the things you posted. Like not being able to keep hate after using all your mana on flash. Were you even using it on the mobs? It doesn't sound like playing a Tank is a job for you.

In your first screenshot the player thought you should pull more then just the first 2 tonberrys. Then it seems like he tried to help you because you didn't seem to know what you were doing. He asked you if it was your first time in the dungeon and you told him that you've been playing for 2 months. You then told him to kick you, and he said he didn't want to kick you.

[lxSch]

I tell you, I am a main PLD and I am a sloooow casual leveler. I played from October to January, lots of weekend nights, a couple of hours here, a couple of hours there, to get to L50.

And... I still haven't finished the pre-2.2 main story. I am sitting on Castrum Meridianum and the Praetorium... because I just can't stand the idea of taking those on, through Duty Finder.

(I've watched a *lot* of game film; especially on CM, and even on "one-tank" CM runs. That's a LOTTA work for the Tank )

I am so wary of trying to finish the main story as a PLD, I'm running up my CNJ/WHM levels, thinking about finishing the quest line as a Healer - because it's sooo much easier and lower-pressure.

(Enter our healer partners crying "No it's not!" stage left!)

Community is unbelievably toxic now, an idea of using the DF as a tanker is so absurd for me - it just makes me laugh. Really i do not consider it even possible because while playing a healer recently i saw what tankers get - 90% they will be trolled/flamed by a horribad dps in every single team.
I don't know how this happened, but i even stopped using DF as healer for roulettes. In every single team someone simply starts trolling any random member (but of course #1 tank, #2 - healer, #3 - lower hp dps) and in addition to that half of team is so bad dungeons take 50-60-70 minutes to finish (normally 20-30 minutes).
I don't know if it's against ToS, but as soon as there is a dps below i80+ someone always will start trolling him - you are so bad, your dps is so low, what the hell are you doing here and so on... the dumbest thing i saw was an i80 mage standing and simply using laugh emote at i55 monk during the story dungeon, all time during the battle.
Today i started a PF for Amdapor City for slow mode run, queued as 3 premade + 1 random, who trolled us the whole run and died at every pull because he attacked before the tanker and went to melee range (being a mage). But joining the roulette i get 3 or 7 randoms lol. Just cannot make myself to sign in DF knowing it will happen again and again.
Now those people in scenario roulette. From my exp nowadays every 2nd scenario dungeon will disband because either someone quits and the rest follows, or you get 2-3 trolls who ruin the whole run just because they are unbelievably bad and rude. Newbie watches scene - quit, some members are left behind - rush to boss, wipe and quit, run going slow - quit, and so on.
While CM and praetorium are good dungeons, i suggest not to use the duty finder, because:
- people will not let you to watch scenes, especially if you are a healer or tanker - will disband or vote dismiss;
- people will not explain anything and just rush, tanker left behind = probably wipe and disband;
- people will troll the tanker for every mistake done;
- sometimes you get a guy or two who simply start drama in team chat and only way to calm them is to vote dismiss.
It is better as a healer, but still better to use a PF or FC team.

1. OP sounds like a very oversensitive player.
2. I actually laughed at some of the things you posted. Like not being able to keep hate after using all your mana on flash. Were you even using it on the mobs? It doesn't sound like playing a Tank is a job for you.

3. In your first screenshot the player thought you should pull more then just the first 2 tonberrys. Then it seems like he tried to help you because you didn't seem to know what you were doing. He asked you if it was your first time in the dungeon and you told him that you've been playing for 2 months. You then told him to kick you, and he said he didn't want to kick you.

1. I am playing online games for social experience, if i don't get a good exp - no point playing online, right?
2. You really cannot, log into the game and try, instead of laughing on forums.
3. Yes this part you repeated correctly, but it was not the point of that screenshot, try reading further if you want to understand.

[MrEzekial]

1. I am playing online games for social experience, if i don't get a good exp - no point playing online, right?
2. You really cannot, log into the game and try, instead of laughing on forums.
3. Yes this part you repeated correctly, but it was not the point of that screenshot, try reading further if you want to understand.

1. Maybe FFXIV just isn't the game for you. Why should you happiness outweigh 3-7 other people?
2. I don't understand what you're saying. I am currently in game waiting for a FATE to spawn in order to complete a Trials of the Braves objective. After which I will join Duty Finder for the dungeons I am required to do, and most likely be complimented for how great of a job I have done because I know how to play the game.
3. If it wasn't the point of the screenshot, why even include it. I am to lazy to go back and look, but I am pretty sure that whatever followed in the post was not in English.

[SummonerSenah]

Sounds like your data center sucks, tbh. I haven't had that many terrible people in Duty Finder, with the exception of Crystal Tower. And even then, the only reason I've left a CT run was when the servers were acting up and I got 3 90ks in the span of five minutes and decided it would be better for everyone else if I left.

[lxSch]

1. Maybe FFXIV just isn't the game for you. Why should you happiness outweigh 3-7 other people?
2. I don't understand what you're saying. I am currently in game waiting for a FATE to spawn in order to complete a Trials of the Braves objective. After which I will join Duty Finder for the dungeons I am required to do, and most likely be complimented for how great of a job I have done because I know how to play the game.
3. If it wasn't the point of the screenshot, why even include it. I am to lazy to go back and look, but I am pretty sure that whatever followed in the post was not in English.

Now i am positive this is flaming, but will answer.
1. Question was why play online if not for social experience? After reading your statements really interesting what you are playing online for.
2. If you complete a lv35- dungeon using flash only (since you said flash can hold enmity) - then your statement will have some point, but not before. But do not queue in i90 synced gear - try an i15-i25 set since that's what new tankers are wearing (this thread is for new tankers).
3. You did not bother reading and made a conclusion - this pretty much sums your intention just to flame, lets stop discussion here - i understood you wrote just to laugh at me. If you laugh at someone - really no reason to tell them so, they will not appreciate it.

Sounds like your data center sucks, tbh. I haven't had that many terrible people in Duty Finder, with the exception of Crystal Tower. And even then, the only reason I've left a CT run was when the servers were acting up and I got 3 90ks in the span of five minutes and decided it would be better for everyone else if I left.

Before the update EU data center was very good - i was doing dungeons and never had such issues. But like 2-3 days before the update out of nowhere appeared many rude and quite inexperienced players so even in an instance such as WP team would wipe several times.
Now during the update i need 2-3 tries to do a roulette because usually someone quits half-way for various reasons (rudeness included, but normally - because team does not go fast enough).
My guess is, those people who would previously sit in CT now have to start doing roulette for myth and soldiery tomes. Many of then got used to troll people out of boredom (what usually happens in CT), now they keep doing this in 4 player teams and someone leaving team is probably a surprise for them.

[VargasVermillion]

The only thing i could find in that list that was particularly difficult would be the bard moving around with aggro as that is a pain, the forced speedruns can be annoying for the inexperienced. PLD is harder to keep aggro on multiple mobs then a warrior but perhaps you weren't positioning yourself correctly for flash to reach them?

That being said their was no reason for them to insult you as it would be more productive to check what you (or they) are doing wrong and try to fix it. Either way I wouldn't give it up over this if you enjoy it, in the end you could just leave and let them wait another 30mins if they are being constantly rude for no reason.

[subteraneanbird]

1:lob pull
3:rotating targets

No! This is all very bad.

1) Lob is NOT a waste of gcd. It is payed off by enemies moving. It is also extra hate. You are starting with low hate by just flashing.

2) You have very little experience as a healer or are an awful healer. Healers want to wait as long as possible before healing because it is big hate. That's why dancey tanks who don't wait for Stoneskin are bad. You are hurting your hate management by forcing healers to heal sooner.

3) In groups of 3+, dps are meant to AOE. It does more damage to groups than single targets. If you did what was suggested, AOE would not be a problem because your starting threat would be higher, meaning you don't need to wrestle with trash or waste all your MP on Flash which is less hate overall than RoH.

Your problem is you don't understand hate. If you want to keep tanking, you need to relearn everything. If that doesn't sound appealing, pick up DPS or don't play.

[lxSch]

The only thing i could find in that list that was particularly difficult would be the bard moving around with aggro as that is a pain, the forced speedruns can be annoying for the inexperienced. PLD is harder to keep aggro on multiple mobs then a warrior but perhaps you weren't positioning yourself correctly for flash to reach them?

That being said their was no reason for them to insult you as it would be more productive to check what you (or they) are doing wrong and try to fix it. Either way I wouldn't give it up over this if you enjoy it, in the end you could just leave and let them wait another 30mins if they are being constantly rude for no reason.

I have to say warrior is very well (fun) done, especially late game combos (animations are amazing) and overall ability to dps. I have no time to play warrior after the 2.2 update due to farming myth, but was going to gear up and start doing PF runs. No more DF for sure, also using PF started to be much more popular due to myth farm fast runs which cannot be done via DF - i always see 2-3 teams recruiting.

No! This is all very bad.

1) Lob is NOT a waste of gcd. It is payed off by enemies moving. It is also extra hate. You are starting with low hate by just flashing.

2) You have very little experience as a healer or are an awful healer. Healers want to wait as long as possible before healing because it is big hate. That's why dancey tanks who don't wait for Stoneskin are bad. You are hurting your hate management by forcing healers to heal sooner.

3) In groups of 3+, dps are meant to AOE. It does more damage to groups than single targets. If you did what was suggested, AOE would not be a problem because your starting threat would be higher, meaning you don't need to wrestle with trash or waste all your MP on Flash which is less hate overall than RoH.

Your problem is you don't understand hate. If you want to keep tanking, you need to relearn everything. If that doesn't sound appealing, pick up DPS or don't play.

Firstly, that was my opinion, this is your opinion, neither is bad, both are opinions. If you wish to know my opinion about your opinion (which is quite useless, but i have time to waste). Also you should learn to quote properly, the point #2 you quoted is not my words, but whatever you imagined - i will answer it because it is very wrong (in my opinion) what you said. Let's remember all below is just and opinion/preference as everything can be done either way.
1. It is a waste. Just level up your warrior past lv37, try WP/Amdapor and you will see it. You will also see PLD (who has no overpower/cyclone) will use a very different combo from what you think pld combo is. Wars use flash a lot too.
2. My healer experience is 2 months here (sch/whm i89) and many years in other mmos and offline games (yes there are offline team-based rpgs with healer class and aggro management). Healers wait if tanker is bad, if tanker is good there is no need to wait. If tanker is using Lob to pull multiple targets - of course you have to wait, but it is a bad tanker and he should not be doing so.
3. Level up a pld to lv50, try WP/Brayflox HM/Amdapor speed run - that's all, should be no more questions. Aoe is useful if every member is doing it. If one dps is doing aoe and second is using single target attacks - they both are wasting time and run will go much slower. Moreover managing threat is a team task, not tanker task. Only healer has the right to ever steal threat from the tanker, and only in a case tanker is dying, otherwise it's not tanker to blame (no matter how bad the tanker is - it is dps fault if they got threat).

I do understand enmity, from here and multiply other mmos since 2004 in it's many incarnations. I even tanker in mass pvp (1000+ people) battles without actually any ability to force them attacking me, drawing enmity was a psychological issue by firstly annoying everyone very much (messing in their ranks) and then letting them dps me for a bit and thinking they can kill, then starting moving so enemies will follow me trying to kill lol. Had a lot of fun doing this as a trapper too, people folloed me knowing i set up mines somewhere.
Knowing a single instance of a subject does not let you understand it, only comparing multiple instances of it does. Again hearing from lv37 war about not understanding enmity is weird. Sorry for going personal but your hijacked reply was very personal, so i responded in this way.
Yes there is a tanker shortage and half of replies in this thread show well the main reason.

[OPneedNerfs]

Not a shortage of tanks, just a huge shortage of good ones