It's official Parsers are illegal in FFXIV

[Gormogon]

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I'm sorry since you're gonna choose to lie to me after that line then our conversation is over.

Ok so reading along the issue is parsers may (and in some instances have) create(d) a negative environment for the community because the info can be used to single out a player based on performance. Right?

So how have tanks and healers survived this long without getting the banstick? Hell, you don't even need numbers. A healer that lacks proficiency or a tank that can't hold agro has headlined just as many threads in these forums (or more depending on who you ask) as any program that tracks DPS. As DPS seems to be what the parsing community is focused on. So looking at this, what makes the DPS market so... protective of its standings in a party?

Parsers effect every role not just DPS. Yet it's easier to single out DPS because damage per second stands out more than the ways to single out a tank and healers.

Tanks can stack HP but after reaching the maximum for effective health anything above that is pointless. There's where damage reduction from stats and thread modifiers come into play.

Healers suffer from "over healing" and mana issues yet it's not as bad as the other two roles. If anything it's more that tanks die because the healer failed to put up proper buffs in time. I haven't done end game healing in a long time but that's the gist of what I remember and recall.

But yes currently there's a big fixation on tracking DPS because people want to rush and the only thing that can effectively do that and it is noticeable is DPS numbers. Yet you do still need Tanks to able to hold aggro and survive those big number of mobs and healers being able to keep up.

It's typically the really bad DPS who argue against parsing, because they know it will highlight how terrible they really are.

I wish I was bad enough to fall under that category.

[ispano]

I'm sorry since you're gonna choose to lie to me after that line then our conversation is over.

Lie? You may wish to come with proof before making that accusation. This was never a conversation. You are bashing people, and i'm telling you that you're wrong. Plain and simple.

[Musashidon]

funny people talk about hand holding but when it comes to counting numbers they want use a 3rd party tool to hold their hand lolz the irony is funny.

[Alkimi]

But yes currently there's a big fixation on tracking DPS because people want to rush and the only thing that can effectively do that and it is noticeable is DPS numbers. Yet you do still need Tanks to able to hold aggro and survive those big number of mobs and healers being able to keep up..

People want to rush because boss fights have DPS checks, particularly now in 2nd coil. Turn 8 for example requires you do around 1 million damage with an 11 minute enrage timer.

It's typically the really bad DPS who argue against parsing, because they know it will highlight how terrible they really are.

The amount of "anti-parser" people who are wearing full welfare i90 without a primal ex or coil drop in sight would sadly suggest you're right.

[ItzKris]

funny people talk about hand holding but when it comes to counting numbers they want use a 3rd party tool to hold their hand lolz the irony is funny.

Absolutely right

[bokchoykn]

funny people talk about hand holding but when it comes to counting numbers they want use a 3rd party tool to hold their hand lolz the irony is funny.

Yeah, this is great analogy. Let's compare!

A system that MASSIVELY buffs players Health, Healing and Damage for failing at a boss that they can potentially beat normally once they take the time to learn and get better at it.

vs

A program that accesses and organizes information and otherwise does nothing for you in battle.

[Musashidon]

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it's not an anology its the truth you think your hand holding is ok because that's your opinion in the end it is holding your hand and telling you what you can already see.

[RakaMaimhov]

Regarding kicking people for low DPS:

Here's the thing, though. If you're kicking people out of your premade party for low DPS that's fine. Your party, your rules. But abusing the vote kick function to kick for low DPS without justifiable cause (ie you can prove they're trolling and griefing the party) is actually against the rules. There is no vote kick option for "Bad deeps". I think this might go for both premades and Duty Finder groups that are in the instance. Kick the bads when you're in the overworld and you're fine.

You guys want to argue the semantics of SE's post regarding 3rd party software, don't forget to check your own hypocrisy at the door.

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[Mrbeansman]

it's not an anology its the truth you think your hand holding is ok because that's your opinion in the end it is holding your hand and telling you what you can already see.

Umm I'm pretty sure the only fight in the game in which you can see the dps results of you and seven other people would be a fight that last all but 2 minutes. People keep saying this completely forgetting that the game deletes lines in the damage log when it reaches a certain number of lines.

[rhemi1]

it's not an anology its the truth you think your hand holding is ok because that's your opinion in the end it is holding your hand and telling you what you can already see.

This argument against add-ons has existed since they became commonplace in MMOs and always remains the most ignorant and desperate plea against them I've ever seen.