It's official Parsers are illegal in FFXIV

[ispano]

I've argued that people rushing are creating a toxic environment and your statement is proving it.

I know people want to rush but they are letting that get them best of them and making it worse for others. At that point parsers are only encouraging a behavior pattern that's only serving to create a toxic environment.

No, that's only certain people. Many of us don't even care. I've done more dungeon runs than I care to count, EM primals, you name it. This so called "toxic" (not even the right word) community you speak of, I've barely seen any of it. In fact, I see more people lash out against advice than people bash others by using parsers.

The problem I see is that, yes, there are indeed people who abuse the tool and harass others. But it's nowhere near as many as people think it is. This also lines up with my experience in other games. And those people that do it? Are going to be that way even if you hid every single bit of data that we currently get in the log.

[Skull_Angel]

I've argued that people rushing are creating a toxic environment and your statement is proving it.

I know people want to rush but they are letting that get them best of them and making it worse for others. At that point parsers are only encouraging a behavior pattern that's only serving to create a toxic environment.

Rushing implies a negative level of speed, I would have hoped my "sentiment" had the want for efficiency and speed to it, but to each their own I guess; this only causes problems when you impart your personal desires on others and it becomes a point of conflict. Personally, I would commend anyone who still collects data by hand when it can be automated, but I would not push others to do so if they did not have to. People create a toxic environment by not being patient enough to work through any friction with others.

[Gormogon]

Missed the sarcasm didn't you.

No I did not.

[ispano]

No I did not.

I'm sure you didn't. I WANT people to call me out when something is my fault. So does he. I LIKE it when people notice something i'm doing wrong that i'm not noticing myself.

[Gormogon]

I'm sure you didn't. I WANT people to call me out when something is my fault. So does he. I LIKE it when people notice something i'm doing wrong that i'm not noticing myself.

Others do not. Your previous statement, "I see more people lash out against advice than people bash others by using parsers" indicates that you're throwing a blind eye to the situation since you also stated, "there are indeed people who abuse the tool and harass others". I say this because that's how "vocal minority" works. It doesn't mean 90% of the people are doing it but there's enough that it has become a "vocal" concern.

If you are not gonna bother to take this serious and show people here and every where else the suggestion gets brought up about the "benefits" then at least don't add to why it's a problem. It's not helping your cause nor helping those that are trying. Sure I get it, you don't care, you made that clear in pages 24 and so on.

Yet since you just said, "I LIKE it when people notice something i'm doing wrong that i'm not noticing myself". Do yourself a favor and notice it then.

[ispano]

Yet since you just said, "I LIKE it when people notice something i'm doing wrong that i'm not noticing myself". Do yourself a favor and notice it then.

People aren't perfect, don't assume you are.

Also, i'm not throwing a blind eye. I'm telling you what my experience is and that even while it's a problem to some degree, there are more common problems from the OTHER side. In my experience. Others have reported the same in this very thread.

I consistently see more people complain about people trying to help them, than people mocking people based on parse results. And I don't mean people who say things like "You suck! Learn2Play!" either. I'm talking about genuine help, which just gets them lashed out at for "telling them how to play".

[Diadumenos]

Ok so reading along the issue is parsers may (and in some instances have) create(d) a negative environment for the community because the info can be used to single out a player based on performance. Right?

So how have tanks and healers survived this long without getting the banstick? Hell, you don't even need numbers. A healer that lacks proficiency or a tank that can't hold agro has headlined just as many threads in these forums (or more depending on who you ask) as any program that tracks DPS. As DPS seems to be what the parsing community is focused on. So looking at this, what makes the DPS market so... protective of its standings in a party?

[MANTASTIC]

Ok so reading along the issue is parsers may (and in some instances have) create(d) a negative environment for the community because the info can be used to single out a player based on performance. Right?

So how have tanks and healers survived this long without getting the banstick? Hell, you don't even need numbers. A healer that lacks proficiency or a tank that can't hold agro has headlined just as many threads in these forums (or more depending on who you ask) as any program that tracks DPS. As DPS seems to be what the parsing community is focused on. So looking at this, what makes the DPS market so... protective of its standings in a party?

I don't know that its any one role, some people just think being a snowflake and protecting their delicate feelings are more important than the other 7 peoples fun and time. Some people also eat crayons.

[ispano]

I don't know that its any one role, some people just think being a snowflake and protecting their delicate feelings are more important than the other 7 peoples fun and time. Some people also eat crayons.

Well, sure. But I think his point is that a potentially failing DPS is harder to notice than a tank or healer. Sometimes you can tell for sure, like a BLM Spamming Blizzard III. Sometimes however, you can't tell so easily. I'm not saying this is the reason people are against it, but that was his point.

[Raenryong]

Ok so reading along the issue is parsers may (and in some instances have) create(d) a negative environment for the community because the info can be used to single out a player based on performance. Right?

So how have tanks and healers survived this long without getting the banstick? Hell, you don't even need numbers. A healer that lacks proficiency or a tank that can't hold agro has headlined just as many threads in these forums (or more depending on who you ask) as any program that tracks DPS. As DPS seems to be what the parsing community is focused on. So looking at this, what makes the DPS market so... protective of its standings in a party?

It's typically the really bad DPS who argue against parsing, because they know it will highlight how terrible they really are.