Over 36 RL hours farming my last Atma and counting

[KenzieLynch]

Except some people got it in a day by doing less than 50 FATEs so there goes any point about long lasting content and fairness.

That depends on how you look at it, really. RNG is in many ways the MOST fair you can possibly get in a game of this type, that's why it's so often used.

[Roris]

That depends on how you look at it, really. RNG is in many ways the MOST fair you can possibly get in a game of this type, that's why it's so often used.

For procs and damage rolls? Sure. For quest progression? Nah, there are much much better ways to do progression, many which have already been mentioned in the feedback thread.

[KenzieLynch]

For procs and damage rolls? Sure. For quest progression? Nah, there are much much better ways to do progression, many which have already been mentioned in the feedback thread.

Well SE obviously think differently, and I tend to agree with them.

[Roris]

Well SE obviously think differently, and I tend to agree with them.

I love Final Fantasy too, doesn't mean I have to come up with silly justifications for every bad decision they make. I got my Atma on Monday, it was still a badly designed quest that only rewarded my luck, it's just plain bad.

[Deathscythe343]

Well SE obviously think differently, and I tend to agree with them.

Neither of which, makes it right.

[KenzieLynch]

Neither of which, makes it right.

Sure, if you want to bring such a juvanile element to the debate. Those who are arguing against the content do not make it wrong either. Shall we go on the see-saw now?

[Deathscythe343]

Sure, if you want to bring such a juvanile element to the debate. Those who are arguing against the content do not make it wrong either. Shall we go on the see-saw now?

We can if you would like. I was merely trying to point out that, while you were on your high horse, being there does not make it the right position.

[Djeserit]

That depends on how you look at it, really. RNG is in many ways the MOST fair you can possibly get in a game of this type, that's why it's so often used.

Lol. No.

Do 50 fates in a zone, you get an atma.

THAT is fair. Everyone has to do the same amount of work for the same reward.

Do anywhere between 1 and 1000 fates in a zone and you might get an atma is not.


Synonyms for fair
adj impartial, unprejudiced
candid
civil
clean
courteous
decent
equal

[Parodine]

Technically speaking, random is completely fair. Everyone has the same depressingly abysmal chances, but some people get lucky. What random isn't, is equal, because of the fact that some people get lucky and finish early, and others are unlucky and have to put in many times the amount of effort to get the same thing, or may never even get it no matter how hard they work at it.

Apologies, you're right in that the RNG is fair in one aspect.

However, the effort that some people have putting out for it is extremely disproportionate. And that disparity is why it feels very unfair. There is no skill involved. It's just luck. Which is rather frustrating to many people, as you can imagine.

[KenzieLynch]

Lol. No.

Do 50 fates in a zone, you get an atma.

THAT is fair. Everyone has to do the same amount of work for the same reward.

Do anywhere between 1 and 1000 fates in a zone and you might get an atma is not.

Everyone has the same drop rate, everyone is rolling a dice. It's fair as long as the same rules apply to everyone.