Over 36 RL hours farming my last Atma and counting

[Jinko]

A lot of players really do not understand how this quest works, huh?

You could farm for 100 hours and have the same result as someone who farms for 5 minutes. Solution? Do NOT farm for 100 hours straight. I have done fates here and there where I feel like it, and probably spent about 2-3 hours on the quest so far and have 3 Atmas. It's not going to happen overnight so just accept it.

You obviously don't understand how chance works.

The more often you do a fate the higher your chance of obtaining the atma you need, it's unlikely anyone is farming for 100 hours straight either.

Many people don't like luck and chance for this reason as it rewards the fortunate and is unfair to everyone else who has to struggle for countless hours.

[Timethiuas]

A lot of players really do not understand how this quest works, huh?

You could farm for 100 hours and have the same result as someone who farms for 5 minutes. Solution? Do NOT farm for 100 hours straight. I have done fates here and there where I feel like it, and probably spent about 2-3 hours on the quest so far and have 3 Atmas. It's not going to happen overnight so just accept it.

Except with quite a few people it did happen overnight. I was in Titan yesterday and 3 of them had Atma weapons. The problem is the massive disparity among the players that has NOTHING to do with skill and EVERYTHING to do with bs luck.

[Gramul]

Feel free to take a break.
You'll have as much chance of getting it in a day than you do right now.

[Diadumenos]

Meh that's Random Number Generators for ya =/
They don't care about your Ilevel
They don't care if you are Legacy or not
They don't care if you are nublet or elitist
You could have been logged in for 48hrs straight or just popped in after a month away

It may not seem, but it is... fair

[KenzieLynch]

You obviously don't understand how chance works.

The more often you do a fate the higher your chance of obtaining the atma you need, it's unlikely anyone is farming for 100 hours straight either.

Many people don't like luck and chance for this reason as it rewards the fortunate and is unfair to everyone else who has to struggle for countless hours.

Thank you, you just completely proved my point. Learn how RNG works.

[Roris]

Thank you, you just completely proved my point. Learn how RNG works.

Except some people got it in a day by doing less than 50 FATEs so there goes any point about long lasting content and fairness.

[KenzieLynch]

Except some people got it in a day by doing less than 50 FATEs so there goes any point about long lasting content and fairness.

That depends on how you look at it, really. RNG is in many ways the MOST fair you can possibly get in a game of this type, that's why it's so often used.

[Roris]

That depends on how you look at it, really. RNG is in many ways the MOST fair you can possibly get in a game of this type, that's why it's so often used.

For procs and damage rolls? Sure. For quest progression? Nah, there are much much better ways to do progression, many which have already been mentioned in the feedback thread.

[Parodine]

That depends on how you look at it, really. RNG is in many ways the MOST fair you can possibly get in a game of this type, that's why it's so often used.

Comparitively, wouldn't the most fair you could be for this quest would be a 'Get highest ranking in 30 FATE's in this region. Then talk to this person to get the atma they hold.'

Most fair would be each person doing the same type of content goal like the above that has a set amount required. With no set amount...a person getting it in one FATE versus 100 FATEs...random =/= fair.

[Themis]

You obviously don't understand how chance works.

The more often you do a fate the higher your chance of obtaining the atma you need, it's unlikely anyone is farming for 100 hours straight either.

Many people don't like luck and chance for this reason as it rewards the fortunate and is unfair to everyone else who has to struggle for countless hours.

The chance to obtain an atma following a FATE is the same regardless of how many FATEs you did previously. It's not a cumulative thing, it's a completely independent event.

If it has a 5% drop rate, that's only an average of 1 in 20. But it's a 1 in 20 chance, on average, every single time. It would be great if probability worked on the concept that, by the 20th event you will guarantee get the atma. But, no, it doesn't work like that. All it means is that, if 1000 people participated in a single FATE, and you gathered the results of who got one and who didn't, you would expect ~5% of those players (ie, 50 of them) to have obtained an atma. It could be drastically more or less, because that's only 1 event. Repeat that over 10000 events (or FATEs), and you would start to see closer to an average of ~5% of players getting a particular atma.

So it doesn't matter how long you spend doing it, it's simply probability or luck. That's why you can get people who have all 12 in 4-5 hours, and some who haven't got 1 in 30+ hours. Thus, why there is no point in farming ad exhaustium and complain about how the system is unfair etc. Of course it's unfair; the drop rate is absurdly low. But at least SE can predict that only a small percentage of the player base will actually progress to stage 2.