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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumijj_Gah View Post
    Parser is necessary to kick people doing slow dps or the ones who don't know their rotation: they need to allow the tool or to make an official one.
    This is the attitude that makes a lot of people dislike parsers on principle.

    Like myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    This is the attitude that makes a lot of people dislike parsers on principle.

    Like myself.
    I know, lot of people don't like it. But game setting is similar to all the post-WoW MMORPG now, FFXI is a dream we never meet anymore, sadly. You can't put two feet into a single shoe. We have rotations now and we cannot ignore them.
    If there's anything I'll never understand about XIV's playerbase, it's their illogical paranoia of parsers.
    Wrong, it's obvious you never tried World of Warcraft the MMORPG Yoshi-P played to copy this setting, his words.
    Parser (not official tool but allowed by Blizzard) is required in raid and people have really easy kick if you don't dps like a bat in the hell. Dps job on FFXIV is really too easy, people easily blame tanks and healers even when they don't deserve that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumijj_Gah View Post
    I know, lot of people don't like it. But game setting is similar to all the post-WoW MMORPG now, FFXI is a dream we never meet anymore, sadly. You can't put two feet into a single shoe. We have rotations now and we cannot ignore them.
    And kicking people simply for not knowing or not always being able to do their rotations is the solution? Why not instead of using a parser as a tool to "judge" if people should be kicked for not doing your personal view of "maximum" damage output or perfectly doing rotations, you use it as a way to offer constructive criticism and help people to realize their dps is not as good as it could be, or that they need to attempt to follow their rotations better/learn their rotations in general if they don't know them.

    But nah, kicking people for it is easier, isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    And kicking people simply for not knowing or not always being able to do their rotations is the solution?
    Different skill/dps is normal and it shows us we're not all robots, luckly. The trouble is when someone not sure on what to do join a farm pt even if there's "no learning" tag in the comment (often overused, btw).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumijj_Gah View Post
    Different skill/dps is normal and it shows us we're not all robots, luckly. The trouble is when someone not sure on what to do join a farm pt even if there's "no learning" tag in the comment (often overused, btw).
    Pretty sure it would take less than 5 minutes to quickly explain to someone what they should be doing, and a farming group (from my experience) hardly ever needs optimal rotation usage.

    That's kind of sounding like a poor excuse to use a parser as an abusive tool. I want to believe that's not the case, but that's just how it's coming out to me, personally.
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    Using third-party programs, parsers, or other tools
    So using a vpn..

    to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game
    to play the game smoothly (something some people are unable to do without a vpn)..

    is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will be dealt with strict disciplinary action.
    is a bannable offence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    So using a vpn..


    to play the game smoothly (something some people are unable to do without a vpn)..


    is a bannable offence?

    VPN is okay.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hvinire View Post
    The type of software you are describing in this thread doesn't appear to directly control anything for the FFXIV client, and as such isn't breaking any of the rules. Similar to other programs, 3rd party software is used at your own risk, and we recommend you employ your best judgement when running software not mentioned in the user agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    to conduct actions players would not normally be able to do in the game
    to play the game smoothly (something some people are unable to do without a vpn)..
    No. VPN service give you no abilities, that other players would not normally be able to do in the game. It give you only the chance to get a good internet route like other players have out of the box. As of the nature how it works, you will not be equal or better. But you get close enough to play the content like it should be played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    Pretty sure it would take less than 5 minutes to quickly explain to someone what they should be doing, and a farming group (from my experience) hardly ever needs optimal rotation usage.

    That's kind of sounding like a poor excuse to use a parser as an abusive tool. I want to believe that's not the case, but that's just how it's coming out to me, personally.
    In a perfect world, this'll be true. However, most people don't like being told they're doing it wrong and will resist the advice and become combative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fumijj_Gah View Post
    Wrong, it's obvious you never tried World of Warcraft the MMORPG Yoshi-P played to copy this setting, his words.
    Parser (not official tool but allowed by Blizzard) is required in raid and people have really easy kick if you don't dps like a bat in the hell. Dps job on FFXIV is really too easy, people easily blame tanks and healers even when they don't deserve that.
    I played WoW from launch until just last year. I played through the dreaded Gearscore phase of it's lifetime, to the "Link achievement", to ilvl requirements, etc.

    What a lot of people don't realize is that players will ALWAYS create ways to keep others out of content. It really doesn't matter if its parser numbers, ilvl, achievements, gear, or any combination of the above. These abusive and harassing players will not suddenly stop being abusive simply because you take parsers out of their hands. At most, you're just damaging the legitimate players who wish to use these tools in a constructive manner.

    This paranoia and fear of creating a toxic environment is going to cause more damage to the game in the long run. Attempting to strip legitimate players of tools and options they can use to improve out of some self-serving fear won't help the game.
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    Last edited by rhemi1; 04-04-2014 at 08:16 AM.

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