Parry...

[ZDamned]

As a healer I've found healing tanks wearing dragoon gear to take a ton of spike damage.

Maybe you didn't appear to take as much damage because your healers had good mitigation on you.

Last I heard, you can play on more than 1 job in this game, and I logged out on my 3rd, which happens to be Dragoon. Had I logged on out m level 8 Armorer, would you have made the same moronic comment?

[Acala]

So, after re-testing on a Striking Dummy, my Paladin is getting 115 DPS in Parry gear, and 135 DPS in my Cirt/Determination set. I personally find that to be significant enough a change to be worth looking into if Parry is not as good as we all think it is.

Do you have an oath on? Also with SE in love with tank swaps that kind of dps increase is prob gona play havoc with other tanks enmity.

[ZDamned]

Do you have an oath on? Also with SE in love with tank swaps that kind of dps increase is prob gona play havoc with other tanks enmity.

I always have Shield Oath on when I am tanking. (My very vocal healers make sure to that!)

I always Oath swap when I'm not actively tanking. So far, Sword Oath is not overpowering my OT's Enmity after we swap, so in my testing it has not been detrimental, however I trust my Off Tank very greatly, Your mileage may vary. =P

[bokchoykn]

I agree with OP.

Most Tank BiS lists are built on the premise of Parry > everything else after hittig Acc cap. The idea is that damage mitigation is more important than damage output.

However, the returns on Parry are piss poor. A tank that has 50 more Parry takes about 1% less overall damage.

It really doesn't friggin matter how your secondary stats are allocated, as long as you're Accuracy capped and you're not wasting too many stats by having too much Accuracy. Keep your Accuracy at or barely above the cap and you're golden. Parry is not #1.

[Lord_Zlatan]

so since all the BiS lists I find on the interwebz are based off of Parry/Acc, I bring up two questions: Determination or Crit, and what IS a good BiS list depending other than a parry one?

[ZDamned]

so since all the BiS lists I find on the interwebz are based off of Parry/Acc, I bring up two questions: Determination or Crit, and what IS a good BiS list depending other than a parry one?

The one I posted in my OP? =P

It gives thees added stats without food. (I recommend Buttons in a Blanket HQ)
Accuracy: +177 (You can cap without food for all of the 2nd Coil)
Critical Hit Rate: +104
Determination: +104
Skill Speed: +13
Parry: + +94

[Judge_Xero]

so since all the BiS lists I find on the interwebz are based off of Parry/Acc, I bring up two questions: Determination or Crit, and what IS a good BiS list depending other than a parry one?

For PLD who uses Sword Oath when tank swapping (boost to AA damage) the best choice is DET.
War would probably be Crit because of using the OT rotation while in Defiance.

[whiskeybravo]

Hmm.. Not sure what to think about this. Parry is pretty much our one unique tanking stat, seems a little silly to completely disregard it. Also seems a little silly that it has such horrible returns. Either way 2% more mitigation or 5% more dps doesn't seem like much of a game changer. For Warrior I'd still take the mitigation since they already have less native mitigation than Paladin.

[Lord_Zlatan]

The one I posted in my OP? =P

It gives thees added stats without food. (I recommend Buttons in a Blanket HQ)
Accuracy: +177 (You can cap without food for all of the 2nd Coil)
Critical Hit Rate: +104
Determination: +104
Skill Speed: +13
Parry: + +94

Aaaah, my apologies. I read the thread a few days ago and decided to comment now (maybe you edited in the post, or I'm just an idiot )

[ZDamned]

For PLD who uses Sword Oath when tank swapping (boost to AA damage) the best choice is DET.
War would probably be Crit because of using the OT rotation while in Defiance.

First off, Paladins should ALWAYS be using Sword Oath while not tanking. End of Story. You post far too great a threat to the group with a spike in RoH Damage, an dyou sacrifice a Damage De-Buff, as well as DPS by just using Riot Blade. In Essence, you prolong the fight because of being lazy.
2nd, Going for Crit only is like asking for RNG instead of Consistency. If that's what you like, then OK... have fun with that.

Finally, you actually can't achieve numbers with any other set that are as high as the one I posted.

If you stat for just Crit, you can't actually Hit your Target with food on. You just don't get access to enough accuracy.
If you stat just for Determination, you actually lose out on determination, because you can't use Determination food. My list gives you +119 with food on, and it's over accuracy cap, but full on Determination gear after accuracy food (Which is required if you stat that way) if only at 117.
In both instances you drop at least 11 of the other stat, and with my list you maximize both after food, since my list also gives you a total of 518 accuracy without food.

Aaaah, my apologies. I read the thread a few days ago and decided to comment now (maybe you edited in the post, or I'm just an idiot )

It was there from the initial post. (Not edited too!) =P No worries!