Tanking baby

[Delorean]

If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it. Going in blind is just lazy and a huge waste of time for everyone else in the group.

Do you look up how to complete every difficult boss fight in a game without even trying your own hand at it first? Just because Final Fantasy XIV is an MMO doesn't make the element of surprise a less exciting part of gameplay.

What would you do if there was no published strategy yet - just wait for one to come out? Because that was the case for the new content a few days ago.

[FurryFury]

What would you do if there was no published strategy yet - just wait for one to come out? Because that was the case for the new content a few days ago.

See above. No published strategy? Don't want to spoil first time? It's ok. Gather your friends, FC, static, whatever. Join learning party in PF. Or make one.

[LukeyP666]

What's not fun, is a players, who join farm groups in PF without any experience - that's where they'll be called names and stuff.

^ This ^

This is the problem I find when I join PF Groups that are supposedly Farm Groups. There's always a couple of people who join it who clearly haven't got the experience needed to farm the content, which is just a waste of everyone else's time.

I'm not one to be rude, in fact I'm very much the opposite. But I do get frustrated when this happens. I did, however, have to give one of my FC mate's a b*ll*cking about going way, way, way too far when we had a DPS join one of our farm groups who'd clearly never attempted the fight before. He was way out of line and I promptly told him so and told him to wind his neck in.

I really don't like watching videos either and enjoy discovering fights and mechanics for myself. We were amongst the first groups on our Server to have beaten the three new Dungeons in 2.2 and learnt the fights and boss mechanics for ourselves (Diabolos ). It's the same with Coil. Every time anyone is talking on TS about the tactics for the new Turns, I mute my Speakers, as our Static want to do things blind when we can eventually start them.

In other words, it's perfectly acceptable to be new to content, just don't expect people to be too happy if you join a Farm Group in the Party Finder having never attempted the fight before. People do need to be less hostile though, I can definitely agree with that.

[jamesrandal]

Also I just wanna say. youtube is good and all. But its no replacement for actual experience. I've used youtube for lots of mmo's as a tank. and it only helps so much. And in the thick of battle(boss fights) I usually forget all about that video lol. Doing it is better than watching someone else period.

[Zourin]

If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it.

Nobody comes out of mom's womb already potty trained. Reality is, it takes several runs for the muscle memory for any dungeon to set in. As an experienced tank, I also know that if I'm going to be running with YOU for the first time, that I'm going to pace myself on the first few pulls until I've had a chance to adjust to how you play. It's not about echo, it's about those first few derpy runs 'till you physically get used to the anticipations, positioning, dodges, and when to use cooldowns or when you can get by without.

Of course, there are always slews of bad tanks that spent their first 50 levels FATE running where they weren't responsible for pulling their own weight and don't know how to leverage their class properly. They poison the pot when they start queuing for top end dungeons with some bizarre sense of entitlement ('group won't work without me, so you're stuck with me, and I can leave anytime') without ever evaluating their own performance.

Both 'first time in a dungeon' groups will derp their way through the dungeon on the first couple passes. I've derped my way through the ADS fight on turn 1, not because "I didn't know the fight", but because the timing is VERY specific and you need to get a hands-on feel for the rotation cycle. Simply reacting will be too late. It's the bad tanks that don't get better or worse those who have 'already been through the dungeon' and never realize that there's more to tanking than facerolling RoH.

[BazFamrit]

As I said before, if you want to learn as you go that's fine but let people know so they're on the same page. Not everyone has hours to spend holding your hand while you learn. Be respectful of others and you'll get respect in return.

[Inosaska]

As I said before, if you want to learn as you go that's fine but let people know so they're on the same page. Not everyone has hours to spend holding your hand while you learn. Be respectful of others and you'll get respect in return.

I remember when both tanks let people know it was just there second time doing it and people left right off the bat because some people just don't have the luxury of time to spend on content for letting new players learn. I've done a few runs of HM(Not the new ones) dungeons and had tanks just doing it for the first time and way more geared then me and having trouble with some of the fight mechanics. It kinda shocked me to see tanks skipping content provided to them in the game. It doesn't matter that it doesn't give you any new gear but it does provide mechanics that sometimes could be turned around and used in future raid content and that's the reason for doing all the dungeons in the game.

[Acala]

Killabye your pretty full of urself for doing absolutely no hard content. Ive been tanking since 2.0 and nvr an treated like shit. and i call ppl out when they fck up. So it is you, you are full of yourself for having nothing to justify it. Dont want to watch vids fine dont expect ppl to tolerate your learning curve of 4-7 month old content, its as simple as that. You want to learn things on your own fine, make a learning group. And idk how you expected not to be thrashed when you started by judging yourself off the biggest joke of content in game.

[Zourin]

^ not worth a response. If you get that butthurt and trollhardy over an OP like that, please stop playing.

Generally if it's the first time in a dungeon, i'll say "My first time, tell me what I need to know", then start pulling once the buffs are out. Trash is trash and the routine is pretty much always the same. My second time, I usually just toss out "It's been a while, just let me know if I mess something up." and pull once buffs are out.

Don't sit around and wait for explanations if you've done your proper overview research of the dungeon/bosses (which is a good idea), most tanking is just a matter of routine (collect mobs, maintain threat, maintain overwatch, wait for DPS). Players like "the guy above me" can just rot in a queue, as they aren't doing anyone but themselves favors.

[Acala]

^ not worth a response. If you get that butthurt and trollhardy over an OP like that, please stop playing.

Don't sit around and wait for explanations if you've done your proper overview research of the dungeon/bosses (which is a good idea), most tanking is just a matter of routine (collect mobs, maintain threat, maintain overwatch, wait for DPS). Players like "the guy above me" can just rot in a queue, as they aren't doing anyone but themselves favors.

Yeah i do come off like a bit of an asshole but def not butthurt. There are just so many of these "the community is being mean to me and its not my fault" threads that pop up. Want some real advice Killa... get some acc, wonder why your struggling with content like coil, thats why.