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  1. #841
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    Deathscythe343's Avatar
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    Zaknafein Do'urden
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    I've said this in another thread about the same topic, this is something that SE should address. This feature has an extremely large grind component to it. Grinding out 12 atmas up a large portion of time. The longer your average player spends doing this, the longer they are not spending doing any other content in the game.

    1) The atma grind - I would change this to have a fixed drop rate that increases over time. Even if this percentage starts at 1% and works its way up from there, one would still have the knowledge that with every miss your chances get better and better. Another option would be instead of having the drop rate come off of the end of the fate, have it come from the fate mobs themselves. Even a low drop rate percentage would have the perceived increase chance if every mob they kill in the fate had a chance of getting them to their goal.

    2) Books - I would change it so that the books could be bought as soon as you have taken the quest. Bought but not started.
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  2. #842
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    Arkista's Avatar
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    Arkista Valentine
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    This grinding is sucking worse and worse every day><. I don't mind the grind but I'm really Starting to get pissed off with this RNG. Pretty sure today I'll hit the 3k Fate Achievement and I started last week with 2392 fates and I'm sitting at 2843.
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  3. #843
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    Calyanare's Avatar
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    Calyanare Vendaurel
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ReplicaX View Post
    All the solo/party theories are pretty funny when talking about a RNG. So little discussion on Lore possibilities.
    I doubt there are any lore possibilities, given that in my 26 hours of grinding so far, during the times when I've been in groups, I've seen the Atmas drop (for other people, sadly, and not myself) from every type of FATE, and different FATEs of the same type. If there was some sort of lore-related rhyme or reason to how they drop, there would be some kind of identifiable pattern, and there just isn't one. It's totally random.
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  4. #844
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    Magiseanzz's Avatar
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    Brother Seaneth
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 80
    This relic upgrade really saddened me. Like others have said, I'm not against a quest that takes quite a bit of time to complete as long as I know I'm actually progressing. When it becomes a chance game, it becomes really shaky (and then boasters emerge with "I got mine in 12/12 FATEs...stop crying").

    When I first read about this relic upgrade, I was really excited. I was expecting genuinely new content (ha), but all we've gotten is a heavy recycle job--which seems to be a growing trend. Even if the quest would have been something along the lines of doing a set number of FATEs per zone followed by a specialized fight with the zodiac for that zone (such as a white mage fighting against a white mage version of the Keeper of the Atma of the Ram), I think that would have been more exciting and engaging. Mindlessly running from FATE to FATE and spamming the same skills with the hope that you'll get gold—and ultimately, the Atma—makes my heart hurt.

    I don't want to fight the RNG boss!
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  5. #845
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    NyneAlexander's Avatar
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    Nyne Helios
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 80
    This quest makes me want to swallow broken glass. Shame I'm such a slave to pursuing the next best weapon/item/shiny thing.
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  6. #846
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    Amarith's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Lady Amarith
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    Cactuar
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    I wanted to throw my voice in here. I'm not against taking time or a grind, but this one is open ended and tough to make myself slog through.

    There's no notion of progressing as you go. If you get the atma you get it, if you don't you have nothing to show for possibly hours of spamming fates. In most other FF related grinds I've done (grind for gil on non-MMOs, grind for levels on XI) you could watch the area of interest (money amount, exp bars) climb even a little after each iteration of whatever you were doing. With this there is no measurement to make you feel like progress is happening.
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  7. #847
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    Mandze's Avatar
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    Mandze Evensent
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 60
    The RNG is against me.

    You know what really irks me? They still haven't fixed the ridiculous inability to queue a dungeon while a chocobo is summoned. If I could summon my chocobo to get it EXP and FATE grind with it while waiting in a dungeon queue, at least I'd be accomplishing *something* rather than just banging my head against the RNG. I'd find the whole thing less annoying if I could multitask.
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  8. #848
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    Arkista's Avatar
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    Arkista Valentine
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    When I finally get all 12 I'm going to throw a party so big, It will make The Great Gatsby's parties look like a 1 year olds birthday party.
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  9. #849
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    omgitslos's Avatar
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    Lo'syk Stahl
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    RNG is going to make me cry.

    For me and all those who have yet to acquire 1 Atma
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  10. #850
    Player Eekiki's Avatar
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    Kickle Cubicle
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarlazzar View Post
    This is why I hate all this SE secrecy crap, "oh we are not gonna tell you to spoil things" then just add things they thought are nice, but actually no one likes, if they had released their idea of how they want to implement this quest, players can at least have a vote or some kind of input before it is implemented
    I can't even imagine how horrible this game would be if all new content had to pass a vote before it was allowed to be implemented.
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