My two cents on the ATMA Issue

[MrEzekial]

I counted all my Fates to get 12/12

This is using the 3000 fate achievement.
0/12 -- 944
1/12 -- 952
2/12 -- 961
3/12 -- 981
4/12 -- 1121
5/12 -- 1179
6/12 -- 1200
7/12 -- 1207
8/12 -- 1255
9/12 -- 1274
10/12 - 1283
11/12 - 1383
12/12 - 1403


took me 459 fates to get 12 atma.

[Blitzace]

I counted all my Fates to get 12/12

This is using the 3000 fate achievement.
0/12 -- 944
1/12 -- 952
2/12 -- 961
3/12 -- 981
4/12 -- 1121
5/12 -- 1179
6/12 -- 1200
7/12 -- 1207
8/12 -- 1255
9/12 -- 1274
10/12 - 1283
11/12 - 1383
12/12 - 1403


took me 459 fates to get 12 atma.

Just another great example why i hate this RNG crap, Congratz to you and no offense at all, but i'm easily over 400 fates now and i still do not have one single atma to show for it.
And people keep saying Well its supposed to be hard blaat blaat, yea... ITS NOT HARD! its just so boring and even frustrating that after 24hrs grinding i still am on 0%!

[MrEzekial]

Just another great example why i hate this RNG crap, Congratz to you and no offense at all, but i'm easily over 400 fates now and i still do not have one single atma to show for it.
And people keep saying Well its supposed to be hard blaat blaat, yea... ITS NOT HARD! its just so boring and even frustrating that after 24hrs grinding i still am on 0%!

It's not hard. It's stupidly tedious. It gets worse when you need to get 13500 tombs for the 9 books after the 12 Atma. I find doing the actual books fun. But the fact that I need to run 34 dungeons per book is just ridiculous as well.

Best part of all is that when you get an Atma weapon. It's just a Lv100 weapon with Lv90 stats..

[Mikh]

I can't say I am enjoying the Atma grindfest either. Honestly, the rare drop part isn't what bothers me. The problem is that FATEs are a terrible way to gate content like this. None of them are difficult at all with all of the people that are running around doing them, so it's just a tedious chore. Mount up, run to the nearest FATE, level sync, hit whatever buttons I can actually use at that level for a minute or two, pray the RNG gods are smiling on me, repeat. If I wanted to be bored to tears I wouldn't be paying a company money, I'd just sit in a chair and stare at a wall. Maybe watch some paint drying or some grass growing.

[Mikh]

Now if they had done something like tied these to dungeons? Great! Much more engaging, and as a side benefit if I don't happen to get my drop I at least got something for my time in the form of tomestones. Maybe put one atma as a very rare drop for the main boss of each of the level 50 dungeons, possibly up the drop rate a little to compensate for it taking longer to try and get the drop, so that it ends up at roughly the same average time. Heck, I wouldn't mind if it took a little longer, since I'm getting something other than just the chance at an Atma. Voila, all of a sudden I'm actually having fun even if I don't get what I want!

Maybe there's a reason that wouldn't work but it's just a quick thought of a way you can have your low drop rate, intended to take time content without boring your customers into quitting your game. Not as many of them, at least.

[Junpe]

It's not a great design but I see why they did it regardless if we agree or not. It keeps people running the old content for other players that need it and keeps zones populated. You can't get them all in a day. That sucks as I have finished mine and almost done with first book and I know others that are still struggling to get their 2nd and 3rd drops.

At the same time the drop rate shouldn't be so low but it isn't anything that should be handed to you either. Hell look at how long it took to get a relic in XI and all that really took was money. This takes time instead. The bigger hassles is getting the myth for the books imho.

There are other options to people iirc there are multiple weapons to get that they added.

[Shivalynn]

It's not a great design but I see why they did it regardless if we agree or not. It keeps people running the old content for other players that need it and keeps zones populated.

Actually, I've seen the new players complaining that they can't even do the FATES because of the level 50 swarm that swoops in and destroys them before they can even get there. I understand the reasoning behind it, but the implementation isn't well thought out.

I spent the entire weekend running FATES after I got my dailies and dungeon runs in. Probably spent 16 hours or so on FATES and have 6 ATMA to show for it. I don't mind hard content, I don't mind gating content and slowing people down. I do mind having my upgrade path be blocked by a mindless grind and hitting the same 3 buttons over and over since all my skills are greyed out.

I'm not going to quit, but I will say I'm incredibly frustrated with the design of this.

[TouchandFeel]

Maybe I should clarify something for you. "Square-Enix" made a typo error in the for the "Up in Arms" quest where they listed 2 atma being in the same area. It\\'s cool though, I\\'m chalking all this hostility up to "atma-envy". Its a condition where people act like needy children a la that rich bitch from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Maybe the only way to deal with said illness is to throw the infected into a furnace and hope for the best.

Gotta say though, I\\'m loving my new Atma Weapon GL to all

You obviously did not get what I was pointing out.

You made a direct and personal attack at someone using "Hooked On Phonics" as fodder to try to belittle that person when you had misspelled a very easy word just a post before. I was simply pointing out the irony in this and saying that you shouldn't attack people for having differing opinions, too which you turn around and indirectly call me a little bitch (her name is Veruca Salt btw).

Pretty much you are just behaving in the way that you are accusing everyone else of behaving.

[Xevren]

I kinda feel the personal attacks didn't start with me, but I just feel as an older gamer (29), that the younger generation seeks immediate satisfaction in almost all walks of life. When I responded to Veruca, it was on the point of reading comprehension in reference to my post. Veruca seemed to insert the word "accomplishment" in to my post while misinterpreting what I was trying to say. Making fun of someone for their spelling is what people who don't have the ability to come up with a coherent thought do on the internet. I was also attacked by several people for having a different opinion. Its amazing to me that people want you to think they're open-minded right up until they disagree with you. I'm honestly just perturbed that people feel that they can change the perimeters of the quest bye saying that its unfair.

Pretty much you are just behaving in the way that you are accusing everyone else of behaving.[/QUOTE]

[Mikh]

If you would actually read the OP of this thread, you would see that not everyone is complaining because they can't have it right now. This isn't about immediate gratification. They are complaining because the quest is extremely boring and because it is extremely random.

It's one thing to have a quest that's going to take a long time. On the other hand, with this, when I try to work on it I find it extremely boring, which is compounded by the RNG component. I see people who put in less effort than me and got their item, and combined with the fact that I'm already frustrated by doing something I don't enjoy, it makes me jealous that I've been wasting time and feel like things are unfair. If it was something that takes the same amount of time for everyone, I wouldn't mind being five days in and having one atma to show for it.