Awful Tank luck today.

[Huntington]

You're not getting shafted. People play for different reasons. Maybe the other tanks only did those fights for vanity drops. It's not fair to tell them they're not allowed to roll for loot when they're unlucky enough to get grouped with you.

If you were doing those fights only for vanity gear, how would you like it if you kept getting paired up with tanks who told you that you can't roll on stuff you want? You'd get sick of it and not want to play.

Sucks that you had bad luck, but the tanks didn't do anything wrong. That's just how RNG is in MMOs. Sometimes you get what you want the first time, and sometimes you don't. If you're burned out on RNG to the point where you resent other players getting loot, it's time for a break.

So they should immediately always get what they're going after regardless of someone else needing it more than them? Not only would they be lacking humility, that's just plain unfair to people who actually need the gear. If they get put in a party where no one needs it, it's fair game. If another player actually NEEDS that gear, they should have right of way with it. That's the point of a Need and Greed system.


Looking at it from a "everyone has a equal right to gear" is a half-truth. Everyone has the ability to roll on it when it becomes available. The part that's not true is that people who need the gear to beneficially improve their character deserve it more than another person that doesn't. I don't Need on something if I already have it or don't need it, I recognize that another player who could use it needs it more than me, and I realize they have the right of way with it. If we're suddenly going to start declaring that the player who has at least an item level of 80 and is doing a Thornmarch run for Vanity items, compared to the item level 64 PLD that needs a new sword and could greatly use it, doesn't deserve it. Then I question the logic in this.

It's like going into runs for fun as whatever class you want, and if something drops that you can use, even if you don't need it, and you take it from someone that does, you're a dick. Plain and simple. They need the weapon, you do not. You're deliberately making the game harder for someone else out of greed, and I refuse to play with anyone who does that.

In the Titan HM run, it was fair game. I asked politely to that Tank if I could have it because I've been having awful runs today, I asked a favor, and would not have any hard feelings if I didn't get it, because that Tank needed that Shield just as much as me. The Tank in the Thornmarch run? Nope, didn't need it at all, it was obsolete for him by this point in the game, and he deliberately went for it anyways regardless of the fact that I needed it more than him and he was going into these runs for a secondary reason, compared to me doing it to actually make some beneficial changes in my character's gear, which would be a primary reason. Here's a hierarchy on gear on how I see it:

1. Players who Need the gear to replace lesser equipment have the right of way with it, regardless of how many people there are. If there are 4 different people who "Need" something, they all deserve it equally.

2. Players of the same class, where one player needs something more than another, have an equal shot at something. But the player who "Needs" the item to replace bad gear, deserves it more than the other player that doesn't need the item to replace something, and instead is going for the item just to use it in a Vanity system.

3. If gear drops and no players "Need" it, then it is fair game for all players to roll on it.

I shouldn't have to elaborate more than this on why the first Tank should have realized and humbly accepted that another player was getting that weapon to replace something, while he was doing the run simply to have it's image used over something else, then to sit in his storage after that for all time, while the other player would have been actively using it for a decent amount of time. This community is going to suffer as time goes on if people roll on something just because they can and continue to take items away from people who require that gear while they just want to have it for a collector's reason so it can sit in their storage afterwards.

[Tyrial]

So they should immediately always get what they're going after regardless of someone else needing it more than them? Not only would they be lacking humility, that's just plain unfair to people who actually need the gear. If they get put in a party where no one needs it, it's fair game. If another player actually NEEDS that gear, they should have right of way with it. That's the point of a Need and Greed system.

While I agree that it sucks that he Needed on the sword while having Zenith weapons, who are you to dictate who deserves to roll on the gear? You needed it as a statistical upgrade, but you're both investing time in the activity which makes his need and yours equal. That would be like me getting upset over only having 6 atma so far for my Curtana of Atma while other people farmed for a fraction of the time and got their Atma 1/1 from the FATEs they did.

If you're that concerned about getting the gear you want then you should switch from letting the DF make your party and start forming your own. Also, as another has said, if you have the ability to beat Titan just get your Curtana and Holy Shield already and forget about the rest of the stuff. If you want it for vanity purposes later on just go back and farm it with a better group.

[Huntington]

While I agree that it sucks that he Needed on the sword while having Zenith weapons, who are you to dictate who deserves to roll on the gear? You needed it as a statistical upgrade, but you're both investing time in the activity which makes his need and yours equal. That would be like me getting upset over only having 6 atma so far for my Curtana of Atma while other people farmed for a fraction of the time and got their Atma 1/1 from the FATEs they did.


If you're that concerned about getting the gear you want then you should switch from letting the DF make your party and start forming your own. Also, as another has said, if you have the ability to beat Titan just get your Curtana and Holy Shield already and forget about the rest of the stuff. If you want it for vanity purposes later on just go back and farm it with a better group.

I laid out my thoughts on that in my wall post. I needed it for as you say a statistical upgrade, he probably wanted for Vanity or Collection, the least other people could do in this game is let the people that need the gear more than them have it, common courtesy. I'd do it for others, so I'd expect it do be done unto me. If hoping people will be the kind soul I would like to run into more often is a bad thing then I might as well stop giving advice and just lay back on a couch away from my keyboard and not talk.

I decided to just go and do Curtana and the Holy Shield anyways, have them for my PLD now, got it done in one day's time, but still grueling in some areas.

[VargasVermillion]

Unfortunately for you when ever someone wants something for vanity there is never a 'good' time to get pieces as more often then not you'll get people who 'need' it more than you. however it is only thornmarch, there are better swords out there. Basically it just comes down to luck, if the other tank needed it and got the roll you'd probably complain about the RNG instead of people rolling on things they don't 'need'.

[VargasVermillion]

In the end you'll just have to accept bad rolls, For example I've been running coil turn 1 for the allagan body for vanity, one of the tanks that joined 'needed' it more then i did sure. However i have also done more runs than that person, they got the piece, sucks for me but It's fine. There will be other rolls.

[Huntington]

In the end you'll just have to accept bad rolls, For example I've been running coil turn 1 for the allagan body for vanity, one of the tanks that joined 'needed' it more then i did sure. However i have also done more runs than that person, they got the piece, sucks for me but It's fine. There will be other rolls.

Except I was completely fine in the Titan HM run when the other tank got the Wall of Crags over me, I really do not care nor attempt to convey distaste for the RNG system itself, christ I've played Monster Hunter and FFXI ffs. The issue is that people know they're doing it just so they can have it sit in their inventory once after using it once while there will be other people that need it to make their character better so they can in turn play better. Gear is essential for Tanks more than any other class too.

[VargasVermillion]

Doesn't matter, look at it from the perspective of someone doing it for vanity, every time they get a group someone 'needs' it more then they do and think it's theirs by some sort of right, by that logic almost no time is good for vanity, and getting your FC to help you farm vanity makes less sense than pugging it, if anything doing it to gear up is an FC job. If it sits in their inventory then that's their choice, either way you don't know their reasons for getting it.

[Twelvedudes]

bummer bad days are bad

[tezzeret]

The only reason he's there in the first place is to get vanity gear.

If he didn't join, you may have gotten an undergeared tank who didn't know what he was doing or a troll just coming in to ruin your day. He contributed his part and maybe even more to your victory. This grants him equal rights to any loot that drops for his job.

I'm not sure why you expect other people to queue for trials and then pass on all loot that drops. There is nothing in it for him whatsoever. Sure, there may be people that join just to help others but you should consider that a bonus, not the norm.

Just keep going and hope you roll better next time.