Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace View Post

I never got my Ghostring/Golden Thief Bug Card!!! ;_;
Quote Originally Posted by ZeroHigh View Post
OMG golden thief bug card! was never able to get it, same with the Garm Card.
I mained scholar after it was released and always felt GTB should burn D:<
But I never got my own. It hurts more that I got Atros. The art is awesome but.. but!! C'mon!

Now those were a real grind. Super camped bosses, spawning once in a million years, with.. what was it? .01% drop rate?

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As far as FATEs go, I'm not a huge fan of the way they work or grinding them or anything. Don't think that. However, in ALL honesty it turns into potayto-potahto after a while.

Grinding a regular mob, while I enjoy that giving them additional purpose, is just as menial of a task as grinding a FATE. You kill 1000 monsters, you grind 15-20 fates. The exception is that it's easier to have a huge group of people doing fates (less limited on monsters) and you can do other things between fates depending on how you go about it.

Time sinks are time sinks. If they were absurdly difficult (like Ragnarok, in our posts as examples) people would flip a brick. And that is definitely not that fun and unfitting for this particular case. But what else will you have? Something that is applicable for most people to eventually gain, is not in a dungeon (because face it, that is just as awful. pewpew boss down. CRAP it didn't drop), will not be restricted to trying once a week, and will not be burned out in the first day of the patch. There are other things, and they could still happen, but a lot of it is very similar in the long run. Make a social thing out of it or anything else you can to make the best of it.