Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Fumijj_Gah]

18 Hours! 18 Hours to get a single piece!

It took 4 weeks full focused (night and day) just to see Argus spawns, Peacock Charm NM on FFXI and hope for the drop (2% drop rate). You all don't know how you are lucky to play this.
And I was lucky.
FFXI relic trials takes weeks of points farming. This is still nothing and still an easy way to obtain a relic upgrade. I am still on my point, relic must be for 50-100 players per server, max. Or it's not relic but a common weapon. Well, they changed name now to Zodiac, deal.

[Sunarie]

It took 4 weeks full focused (night and day) just to see Argus spawns, Peacock Charm NM on FFXI and hope for the drop (2% drop rate). You all don't know how you are lucky to play this.
And I was lucky.
FFXI relic trials takes weeks of points farming. This is still nothing and still an easy way to obtain a relic upgrade. I am still on my point, relic must be for 50-100 players per server, max. Or it's not relic but a common weapon. Well, they changed name now to Zodiac, deal.

Just because one game has a worse system doesn't make this system good. I honestly don't get that argument. If the only good thing you have to say about something, your only defense is, "well it's not as bad as this other thing".. then you have a crappy system.

It's also likely going to take people a lot more than four weeks to do the second step of the quest (13,500 myth tomes on top of a grind). So.. I'm not even sure time wise when you combine the drop rates some people are experiencing (which seems to also be around 2% based on what I'm seeing reported on various sites) plus the grind afterwards... it would be shorter than your FFXI grind.

I think you're also failing to understand what people are complaining about. I'll give you a hint, it's not the time it takes to get the weapon. It has to do with having the chance to put very, very long hours into something and have absolutely no sort of progress to show for it.

[Fumijj_Gah]

Just because one game has a worse system doesn't make this system good.

You misunderstood me sir., for me FFXI one is still the best system: I really don't want to see relics on everyone hands. Relic could be an elite weapon for elite players.
The world elite (both for skill or extreme/crazy grind) is disappeared in this game, maybe just primals weapons have some points.

[Taruranto]

It took 4 weeks full focused (night and day) just to see Argus spawns, Peacock Charm NM on FFXI and hope for the drop (2% drop rate). You all don't know how you are lucky to play this.
And I was lucky.
FFXI relic trials takes weeks of points farming. This is still nothing and still an easy way to obtain a relic upgrade. I am still on my point, relic must be for 50-100 players per server, max. Or it's not relic but a common weapon. Well, they changed name now to Zodiac, deal.

Finding and farming NM was better than this shiet, FATEs is the worst system ever. :C

[Snarke]

It took 4 weeks full focused (night and day) just to see Argus spawns, Peacock Charm NM on FFXI and hope for the drop (2% drop rate). You all don't know how you are lucky to play this...

EDIT: You know what? I changed my mind. I just wanted to lash out at someone from all my frustration, but indeed this isn't really the game you want either. It's not gonna be FFXI. Relic won't be an elite weapon. In 2 weeks EVERYONE will have atma. Not because they fought some super rare boss and got a rare drop, but because they grinded hours on the EASIEST most mind-numbing content in the game, over and over and over. It won't sift out the elite. It's so utterly pointless I want to cry.

[Mithent]

You misunderstood me sir., for me FFXI one is still the best system: I really don't want to see relics on everyone hands. Relic could be an elite weapon for elite players.
The world elite (both for skill or extreme/crazy grind) is disappeared in this game, maybe just primals weapons have some points.

I don't consider spending many hours grinding trivially easy content until you get lucky with the RNG to be particularly elite, though - that's just either getting lucky or having an awful lot of time to waste. It's the Allagan weapons which impressed me when I started to see them, because people who had them had beaten the hardest content the game has to offe, not just that they invested in a time sink.

[Rodew]

It took 4 weeks full focused (night and day) just to see Argus spawns, Peacock Charm NM on FFXI and hope for the drop (2% drop rate). You all don't know how you are lucky to play this.
And I was lucky.
FFXI relic trials takes weeks of points farming. This is still nothing and still an easy way to obtain a relic upgrade. I am still on my point, relic must be for 50-100 players per server, max. Or it's not relic but a common weapon. Well, they changed name now to Zodiac, deal.

3 days of farm(10 hours each days)just farming fates and i got 1 atma while i see people around me with the weapon alredy to the next level in less time and effort then me,what this "elite" have that i don't?you wanna know?Luck!
getting a relic weapon based on Luck sound epic at you?
getting a relic by slaying an immense powerful word boss that require half server/coordination/skill sound epic not LUCK!(is an exageration but you can get the point)

[Illya]

You misunderstood me sir., for me FFXI one is still the best system: I really don't want to see relics on everyone hands. Relic could be an elite weapon for elite players.
The world elite (both for skill or extreme/crazy grind) is disappeared in this game, maybe just primals weapons have some points.

I guess my definition of 'elite' is different than yours. Those people who have already downed T6 and T7, they are elite. They are good at games, good at coordination in groups, good at figuring out mechanics, and good at executing strategies. That's elite.

Grinding mindlessly on easy content for hundreds of hours isn't elite. That's no-life.

FFXI wasn't hardcore. It was timecore.

[Valthein]

If you want a true grind with no payout then by all means go to a casino and play slots. we want to game, not mindlessly gamble!

[Gormogon]

You misunderstood me sir., for me FFXI one is still the best system: I really don't want to see relics on everyone hands. Relic could be an elite weapon for elite players.
The world elite (both for skill or extreme/crazy grind) is disappeared in this game, maybe just primals weapons have some points.

I've been doing MMO's for over 10 years and anything involving RNG is a horrible system for the most obvious of reasons.

I've learned to live with it but there is better alternatives to test people's "skill" and "dedication".

As for "elitism" well that's not really skilled people but more of a group of people bragging about how they get by as they look down on others. Since they aren't really the ones downing the end game content that's for sure. Yet the truly skilled, the ones that truly deserve recognition, they wont be recognized for it and they aren't even asking for it. Yet the group of people that down it way later than them and use a guide because they can't figure out the phase mechanics are gonna be the ones bragging and looking down on those that haven't down content? That's not being elite nor having skill that's just plain pettiness.

I'd rather see people have an equal advantage of downing content and being able to down it in the long run, first by those truly skilled then later by those willing to invest time and dedication, than the toxic environment of elitism you're defending.