I'm mad about something, and you should hear about it.

[Raynar]

Diabolos is going to be a boss in the Lost City of Amdapor.

This means with 95% certainty he is not a primal.

This means we will not be able to summon a Diabolo-Egi.

Diabolos is a summon, not a trashy dungeon boss.

Thank you.

I completely agree

[zaviermhigo]

Odin isn't considered a primal in this game. (by lore means anyway). Or at least, I don't think he is....

Odin is a primal lore wise, he's an elder primal, he and bahamut are the only two elder primals, well maybe Belias as mention in smn quest. That's a whole different level than regular primals, making it seem even more weird he's a roaming fate.

Incoming spoilers for those who have not gotten to BCOB:

And to clear up a lot for people, an elder primal needs no worship. They are. They are on a different level than regular primals, who can only exist during an umbral era, it has been shown in game lore that Elder primals can be, regardless of umbral/astral eras. Odin was trapped in the Shroud (parts inaccessable to us) and unable to get into the regular parts, which changed during the calamity. Bahamut was imprisoned eon's ago by the Allagans, and so was Odin actually, Odin just broke his crystal seal. Every primal seeks to be "the only primal", but...they can never turn into an elder primal like Bahamut or Odin, much is not known about how they come to be. But some things look to be true like: they don't need to be summoned, they can survive regardless of umbral/astral era, and they are of such immense energy you just have to seal them to make em go away. Bahamut was obviously controlled by the allagans due to the technology on him, which is the same Twintania has controlling it. Odin, looks like he wiped out Queen Urth and her people, and an allagan hero defeated him, obviously by sealing him away in that crystal.

[ApolloOphion]

No New Egi until Level Raise Yoshi Said That During A Live Letter So we Will See What Happens.

[JayCommon]

I think it's because there's like, no really consistent Wind-elemental summon in FF games. I mean aside from Garuda there is, off the top of my head, Pandemona (sp) and FF9's Fenrir. Out of a bird-lady, a purple tumor vacuum cleaner, and a wolf, bird-lady just makes the most sense to use for a wind-themed boss.

Don't forget Quezacotl!!! Which....is another bird-type thing o.o

[RyuDragnier]

In before Knights of Round are a fate.

They'd probably joke and have them appear, only for Odin to appear and go "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!", and proceeds to Zantetsuken them to nothingness.

[RyuDragnier]

Odin is a primal lore wise, he's an elder primal, he and bahamut are the only two elder primals, well maybe Belias as mention in smn quest. That's a whole different level than regular primals, making it seem even more weird he's a roaming fate.

Incoming spoilers for those who have not gotten to BCOB:

And to clear up a lot for people, an elder primal needs no worship. They are. They are on a different level than regular primals, who can only exist during an umbral era, it has been shown in game lore that Elder primals can be, regardless of umbral/astral eras. Odin was trapped in the Shroud (parts inaccessable to us) and unable to get into the regular parts, which changed during the calamity. Bahamut was imprisoned eon's ago by the Allagans, and so was Odin actually, Odin just broke his crystal seal. Every primal seeks to be "the only primal", but...they can never turn into an elder primal like Bahamut or Odin, much is not known about how they come to be. But some things look to be true like: they don't need to be summoned, they can survive regardless of umbral/astral era, and they are of such immense energy you just have to seal them to make em go away. Bahamut was obviously controlled by the allagans due to the technology on him, which is the same Twintania has controlling it. Odin, looks like he wiped out Queen Urth and her people, and an allagan hero defeated him, obviously by sealing him away in that crystal.

This brings to mind a thought.

SPOILERS for those who haven't completed the main story up to date.

Are the Elder Primals like Hydaelyn, manifestations of the will of specific things in the world? We know Hydaelyn could be considered an Elder Primal and one who could technically be the caretaker of the "light" (kindness, hope, happiness, etc) of the world, and the Dark One is her twin, meaning he's the controller of the "dark". Does this mean Odin could be the will of the warriors of the world, and Bahamut is the will of those seeking destruction for all? Or could the Elder Primals just be Primals whose legends have grown so strong that the mere existence of the legends risen them to this state of power?

[jars]

who?

never heard of him, must not be a very important summon

[Nestama]

Diabolos is most likely a Voidsent in FFXIV lore. So still technically a summon, but not exactly one you would want to summon (Haukke Manor). The people of Amdapor most likely summoned him to use against the people of Nym. Chances are he was the cause of the Tonberry disease and upon releasing that disease, he demanded the Amdapor people to pay back in some way (whatever the Voidsent require). Chances are they refused, which is why their town lies in ruins, maybe.

Siren in FFXIV is also heavily implied to have once been many (thought wiped out by the people of Limsa Lominsa). Read the journal for the quest you "fight" her in, or the Pharos Sirius dungeon text.

[Tiggy]

Seriously, it's like you've never played this series before. A monster in one game is another games summon and vice versa. This happens frequently in this series.

[Valkrist]

OMG! Doom Train isn't a summon in this game like it is in VIII, or a boss fight like in VI! Going to CTRL-X wrist now!