Whm/Sch... which will get BiS?

[Zaft]

As if threat is even an issue since 2.1. Unless ur spamming your cure, a crit means less mp your spending to get the tank back to full health. And tell me crits are useless after your tank eats a death sentence or wicked wheel.

ofcourse it benefits whm. . If healer share the allagan 2gear they will need to make at least 50/50. Wouldnt be fair for either if its benefit one class more.

Death Sentence comes every 3 plummets, which comes every 3 auto attacks. Wicked Wheel comes 4 seconds after Friction. If your tank doesn't have both Stoneskin and Adlo for those attacks, your healers are dropping the ball.

Crits are unreliable and generally unneeded. If you NEED a crit somewhere, you've screwed up.

[OmegaSinX]

I am telling you a crit is useless after a death sentence and wicked wheel, yes.

I'm seeing you in DL and figuring you have no real endgame experience as a WHM.

So you having better gear automatically makes your point valid ? lol. As a i90 WAR/PLD Main since launch ; I have enough of experience to know a crit heal could mean the difference between a successful run and a wipe. DET and Crits are both important to Healers. Sure each class has their BiS preference because of class dynamics, but to say CRIT is useless to WHM is almost as dumb as saying VIT is useless to healers.

Also, aggro goes simply beyond ripping hate off a tank. It also goes with where I'm placed in aggro list. Certain abilities targets certain players on aggro list. I don't even want to be 2nd or third in most cases. Which I think you don't understand at all. Unless you think WHM get no aggro all of a sudden with healing since 2.1? Which lol @ you if so

Since 2.1 Tanking as far enmity is concern, has become face roll easy. Dont know what tanks you role with, and maybe you have tanks who dont use their cooldowns effectively but when I tank; healers are at the bottom of the threat list near 0. If anything, Main Tanks biggest rival for threat are other tanks. Followed by SMN> MNK> BLM> DRG Heck even BRDs.

Only situation where ive seen Healers Threat really high is in Turn 2 Enrage Method where they are spamming AoE Cures.


So Based on your logic. If I had to choose between 2 healers, both with the same amount of experience and both with the same MND, PIE and DET, But one has Higher CRIT than the other, I should turn down the one with more crit because He will cause "threat issues."

LOL @ YOU

[OmegaSinX]

Death Sentence comes every 3 plummets, which comes every 3 auto attacks. Wicked Wheel comes 4 seconds after Friction. If your tank doesn't have both Stoneskin and Adlo for those attacks, your healers are dropping the ball.

Crits are unreliable and generally unneeded. If you NEED a crit somewhere, you've screwed up.

I disagree. If your a good healer your right you will foresee most dynamics and be ready for it....but no1 can foresee everything, things will crit your tank (EX primals for example) and can catch you off guard. My whole point is he's saying its useless. And thats ballsy imo. Theres a difference between not as important to WHM & Useless...and for schlor thats the total opposite, CRIT>DET

Its like having new brakes on your car....you might not always need superb brakes, but your definately happy you have it when it comes thru in your time in need.

[Airikay]

LOL @ YOU

Wow, your reading comprehension is terrible. I said ripping from tanks isn't issue, it also depends where I'm on aggro list. Because certain attacks target the second or third enmity etc. Conflag and dread being a major one. I find it funny you think because you blow cooldowns, healers are at bottom of threat list automatically. I guess you only tank CT. You speak from no experience as a conjurer, as yours isn\\'t even 50. How can you really tell someone how their class is when you\\'ve never touched it? /mindblown

[Menae]

Death Sentence comes every 3 plummets, which comes every 3 auto attacks.

Haha, really?

I've just been doing it by feel for the most part. ~30 seconds from the last DS? Stoneskin. In P2 onward, replace with: no infirmity on the tank? Stoneskin. In P5, as I sprint terrified from Liquid Hell spam, replace with: Benediction as DS hits and PRAY.

[OmegaSinX]

You speak from no experience as a conjurer, as yours isn't even 50. How can you really tell someone how their class is when you've never touched it? /mindblown

I am telling you a crit is useless

1st off, this whole conversation started when you said crit is useless to whm, period. No one said det isnt better for whm. We can all agree that det > crit for whm and crit > det for sch. My argument is that although whm want more det, crit is not completely useless for whm either.

Edit: I understand it'd be fair to split 50/50, half crit and half det. My original point is you were saying all crit would benefit both

Just realized you changed your original statement, this is more accurate and that's exactly what I said in my original comment. I never said it should be all crit, I said it would be balance if it was all MND PIE DET AND CRIT.

Bottom line the new 110 gear should be balanced with crit and det to satisfy both healers since schlor see a better return with crit (i.e bigger shields, and their trait that increase SS when pet crit) and whm see better returns from det. So...now that we are on the same page...what exactly are we arguing about ?

[Songi]

Wow, your reading comprehension is terrible. I said ripping from tanks isn't issue, it also depends where I'm on aggro list. Because certain attacks target the second or third enmity etc. Conflag and dread being a major one.

Conflag and dread don't target 2nd on hate list. If you're 2nd on Twintania rest assured, you'll never have to deal with these mechanics as a healer.

[Airikay]

Conflag and dread don't target 2nd on hate list. If you're 2nd on Twintania rest assured, you'll never have to deal with these mechanics as a healer.

I didn't say they were I was saying they were attack that depended on where you are on aggro list. Example its best healers or offtank goes into conflag. Best if healer is targets by dread so want to be 3 or further down.

[Yumi_umi]

Guys guys guys!
Just wait and see in 2.2!
No need to bash on stats, yoshi put them in there for a reason. Maybe we haven't seen them in full action yet as this game is still kind of new and not that big in customization yet.
But of course you will need a lot of that new vit in the new gear for turn 9?
Cuz it'd be nonsense if the new gear had the same vit as the i90 stuff.
So here's to hoping that healers will reach 6k hp+ and 3k+ heals on average!
But yea u guys sound soooo ridiculous with all this debate over stats that u claim to be numero uno.
Statistics are 1 thing, but being in a situational party is another.

[Vid]

But yea u guys sound soooo ridiculous with all this debate over stats that u claim to be numero uno.
Statistics are 1 thing, but being in a situational party is another.

^ This. If you prefer Det, Crit, or Speed, who cares? It works for you and that's all that matters. I personally prefer Det, but I'm not about to come here and say "oh speed and crit are stupid on this class." Really guys? Have we gone back to 2nd grade where you have cooties and can't play with us?